Was Muhammad Ali really the best

[jmbtandy]

You are the one who started trying to make my post look bad by leaving things out and mis-quoting me...you got called out on it...thats an insult?...you started trying to make my post look bad by using improper information and changing things around for your convienience...I called you out on it and I insulted you?....You tried to make yourself look like you were a know it all and were put in your place simple....

Am interested at which point did I try to make your post look bad?, you make all valid points, nothing was changed for my convenience, and i think you mentioned yourself you went back and altered it yourself. Read what you wrote you were the one throwing accusations of people not knowing what they were talking about or being amateurs because they don't agree with you.

Don't ry to back peddal...and I edited the part about.... Ali never losing in his prime to...Ali never lost handily in his prime....Compare it yourself...My first post is Quoted in the post Match made and the edited version is up there now...you tell me the differences

I am not back peddling, read anything I wrote, but good avoidance of the question

[Tito BHB]

Now the thing is he was "The Greatest"

Not neccesarily the best.. In my opinion you have to consider not just the way he fought and who he fought, but his character.. the time in which he was about.. and the circumstances surrounding him during the years in which he was in the publics eye..

He was entertaining, A poet, a comedian.. A heavyweight with fast hands, dancing feet, decent power.. A big mouth.. Plenty of great opposition to make him the legit name he became.. The circumstances of him refusing to go to war, became a muslim.. All of it together is just the story of a legend really..

And you kinda wish you knew as much about joe louis and sugar ray robinson so that they had as much publicism as ali and were as renound for theyr amazing skills..

But although greats themselves they couldnt have been as bold and demanded attention quite like ali..

But yeah i think he probably is the greatest.. In a literal sense.. But not specifically the bestt.

[El Kabong]

Hell Jack Johnson did everything Ali did only 50 years earlier

[Spicoli]

I forgot to answer the initial question.....Yes,Imo, Ali was the best.

,And welcome to the forum jmbtandy....happy 3 Day anniversary

[El Kabong]

I forgot to answer the initial question.....Yes,Imo, Ali was the best.

,And welcome to the forum jmbtandy....happy 3 Day anniversary

....ok, that was totally gay

[DaxxKahn]

Am interested at which point did I try to make your post look bad?, you make all valid points, nothing was changed for my convenience, and i think you mentioned yourself you went back and altered it yourself. Read what you wrote you were the one throwing accusations of people not knowing what they were talking about or being amateurs because they don't agree with you.

Don't ry to back peddal...and I edited the part about.... Ali never losing in his prime to...Ali never lost handily in his prime....Compare it yourself...My first post is Quoted in the post Match made and the edited version is up there now...you tell me the differences

I am not back peddling, read anything I wrote, but good avoidance of the question

Yeah I avoided your question...Keep telling yourself that...

[ICB]

Record wise yes if we ignoring his gift decisions but IMO he is still overrated, he drew against Doug Jones IMO, he got lucky against Cooper having smelling salts which were illegal in UK at that time, he lost to Young, he lost to Shavers, he lost to Norton x2, And someone mentioned that Louis would get slaughtered by Ali because Louis was flat footed, but then i ask that person how did flat footed fighters like Jones and Cooper give Ali so much trouble ??

[jmbtandy]

Now the thing is he was "The Greatest"

Not neccesarily the best.. In my opinion you have to consider not just the way he fought and who he fought, but his character.. the time in which he was about.. and the circumstances surrounding him during the years in which he was in the publics eye..

He was entertaining, A poet, a comedian.. A heavyweight with fast hands, dancing feet, decent power.. A big mouth.. Plenty of great opposition to make him the legit name he became.. The circumstances of him refusing to go to war, became a muslim.. All of it together is just the story of a legend really..

And you kinda wish you knew as much about joe louis and sugar ray robinson so that they had as much publicism as ali and were as renound for theyr amazing skills..

But although greats themselves they couldnt have been as bold and demanded attention quite like ali..

But yeah i think he probably is the greatest.. In a literal sense.. But not specifically the bestt.

Like it agree totally

[Violent Demise]

I forgot to answer the initial question.....Yes,Imo, Ali was the best.

,And welcome to the forum jmbtandy....happy 3 Day anniversary

....ok, that was totally gay

Oh I agree. Spicoli the homie. But he taking this neg rep

[jmbtandy]

Don't ry to back peddal...and I edited the part about.... Ali never losing in his prime to...Ali never lost handily in his prime....Compare it yourself...My first post is Quoted in the post Match made and the edited version is up there now...you tell me the differences

I am not back peddling, read anything I wrote, but good avoidance of the question

Yeah I avoided your question...Keep telling yourself that...

And again, ok I will keep telling myself it as I am obviously wasting my time telling you

[DaxxKahn]

Hell Jack Johnson did everything Ali did only 50 years earlier

If you ever see footage of Jack...(What little there is of it).....He sure the hell was a slick ass fighter especially considerig when he was in an era where guys really just beat each other senmseless rather then box....

Public wise...I guess you could say Jack had problems with what Ali called the "White man"...He had to take some time out of the country...fight abroad....There are a lot of simularities

[Spicoli]

I forgot to answer the initial question.....Yes,Imo, Ali was the best.

,And welcome to the forum jmbtandy....happy 3 Day anniversary

....ok, that was totally gay

Your not much on subtle jagged Inference are you Lyle ??Unless you are and 'got it' .In that case I understand .....I better go read your VD's little Rep and hope you really are not that dense ..........

[amat]

Record wise yes if we ignoring his gift decisions but IMO he is still overrated, he drew against Doug Jones IMO, he got lucky against Cooper having smelling salts which were illegal in UK at that time, he lost to Young, he lost to Shavers, he lost to Norton x2, And someone mentioned that Louis would get slaughtered by Ali because Louis was flat footed, but then i ask that person how did flat footed fighters like Jones and Cooper give Ali so much trouble ??

The fight with Shavers was close, could have gone either way lots of close rounds but that was an older Ali and he had already delivered his last great hurrah. Same with Jones and Cooper.

And fighters legacies aren't defined by fights fought before they won the title. Roland Lastarza by many accounts beat Marciano when they fought before Marciano won the title but it does nothing to Rocky's legacy nor should it.

[DaxxKahn]

Record wise yes if we ignoring his gift decisions but IMO he is still overrated, he drew against Doug Jones IMO, he got lucky against Cooper having smelling salts which were illegal in UK at that time, he lost to Young, he lost to Shavers, he lost to Norton x2, And someone mentioned that Louis would get slaughtered by Ali because Louis was flat footed, but then i ask that person how did flat footed fighters like Jones and Cooper give Ali so much trouble ??

The second Norton fight was close but I still give it to Ali and the third Ali won hands down....

Your the only one I ever heard say Ali lost to Jimmy Young

[Spicoli]

I forgot to answer the initial question.....Yes,Imo, Ali was the best.

,And welcome to the forum jmbtandy....happy 3 Day anniversary

....ok, that was totally gay

Oh I agree. Spicoli the homie. But he taking this neg rep

Much respect my man but .... what goes around comes around.