Was Muhammad Ali really the best

[donnydarkoIRL]

Rocky Marciano's record is not 100% certain.

He turned professional with an assumed name that was altered a number of times and went back to the amateurs on a few occassions.

He was beaten heavily in the amateurs on more than one occassion.

So amateur records count now


Give me a fucking break dude

Marciano wa mixing the ams and pros.

He had his pro debut and went back to the ams, then went pro again.

He was topped in the amateurs, after his first pro fight.

[El Kabong]

Marciano wa mixing the ams and pros.

He had his pro debut and went back to the ams, then went pro again.

He was topped in the amateurs, after his first pro fight.

Whatever....Rocky's record is 49-0-0 that's the recognized record...if I ask any boxing fan what his record is then they would tell me 49-0-0 and not give me some answer like you did.


lambeth, you're new here but riddle me this....did Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, and Jack Dempsey not have to deal with virtually the same issues as Ali? And I know everyone is going to be like "Jack Dempsey what the fuck is he doing there?!?!" well Jack dodged World War I and it was a huge scandle. As for Johnson, he had the same attitude as Ali if not being more abrasive and he had virtually no support group like a NAACP or Nation of Islam or anything like that to back him up. Joe Louis was forced by management to counter Johnson's attitude (even if he wasn't anything like Jack in real life), so basically he had to act in every interview he ever had in his his hay-day.

I don't want this to be about politics or skin color or anything other than boxing. Ali was great, he beat great fighters, but Louis and Marciano are better in my opinion.....and I don't want anyone to take that the wrong way, I respect what Ali did...I just don't make this mythical figure out of him.

[donnydarkoIRL]

[quote=Lyle;518581]

Marciano wa mixing the ams and pros.

He had his pro debut and went back to the ams, then went pro again.

He was topped in the amateurs, after his first pro fight.

Whatever....Rocky's record is 49-0-0 that's the recognized record...if I ask any boxing fan what his record is then they would tell me 49-0-0 and not give me some answer like you did.

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I'm being completely factual.
Marciano, was afariad of his mothers reaction to boxing, so he never told her he boxed until he was becoming succesful.

He was a covert amateur taking several beatings in the mateur before embarking into the pros where he had a few early fights with an assumed name.

He then returned to the amateurs where he had mixed fortunes winning some, getting pasted in others.

It's on his life's story DVD.

[Mr140]

Well if you go by the states Lewis and Holmes had way better resumes.

[Shamrock]

Marciano wa mixing the ams and pros.

He had his pro debut and went back to the ams, then went pro again.

He was topped in the amateurs, after his first pro fight.

Whatever....Rocky's record is 49-0-0 that's the recognized record...if I ask any boxing fan what his record is then they would tell me 49-0-0 and not give me some answer like you did.


lambeth, you're new here but riddle me this....did Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, and Jack Dempsey not have to deal with virtually the same issues as Ali? And I know everyone is going to be like "Jack Dempsey what the fuck is he doing there?!?!" well Jack dodged World War I and it was a huge scandle. As for Johnson, he had the same attitude as Ali if not being more abrasive and he had virtually no support group like a NAACP or Nation of Islam or anything like that to back him up. Joe Louis was forced by management to counter Johnson's attitude (even if he wasn't anything like Jack in real life), so basically he had to act in every interview he ever had in his his hay-day.

I don't want this to be about politics or skin color or anything other than boxing. Ali was great, he beat great fighters, but Louis and Marciano are better in my opinion.....and I don't want anyone to take that the wrong way, I respect what Ali did...I just don't make this mythical figure out of him.

Rockys return to the amateurs after turning pro is pretty common knowledge amongst boxing fans...

[El Kabong]

Rockys return to the amateurs after turning pro is pretty common knowledge amongst boxing fans...

...and so his recognized record is