I conceed.

[Youngblood]

Edwards delivered his news from Michigan. Coincidence?

[Trainer Monkey]

...he needed to do better than he did. I understand Hillary was going to win anyway but you don' t let her run the score up like she did.

And how the hell is Obama going to win if he's conceeding states like West Virginia...West Virginia isn't much different from Iowa which Obama won.


As for Michigan and Florida the DNC is cutting off it's nose to spite their face. The RNC punished them but they still had a say in the primary after that punishment...the DNC basically said "Fuck off, you didn't listen, you don't count" and I'm not cheering for them to seat those delegates because 1. Obama is an easier candidate to beat and 2. Those voters are going to remember what happened with them and FLORIDA has already hurt the Democrats before and seems like it will do it again.

I live in WV Lyle,the polls were a dead zone,nobody cared,it wasnt that Hillary had a huge surge,it was that it was allready conceeded

[El Kabong]

...So how's he supposed to carry that state in November HENCE it's kind of a big deal. I don't care if he was like "Well we just won't campaign there".....you still don't want to lose by that much.


When your spin is basically "Well they just must be a bunch of uneducated racists" it's not good for anybody.

Obama hasn't won blue collar workers, McCain concievebly can win those votes, I am not so sure about Obama, he's got a lot of work to do to win those votes.

[amat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws


....and that isn't going to be like George W. Bush?!?!?!

Gah Lyle that is so garbage he obviously meant to say 47.

West Virginia means nothing, Lyle you love the system so much, working within the system there is virtually no way Hillary can win and right after that win in West Virginia she lost the super delegate lead which is the card her camp has been playing since she lost Iowa.

[Trainer Monkey]

...So how's he supposed to carry that state in November HENCE it's kind of a big deal. I don't care if he was like "Well we just won't campaign there".....you still don't want to lose by that much.


When your spin is basically "Well they just must be a bunch of uneducated racists" it's not good for anybody.

Obama hasn't won blue collar workers, McCain concievebly can win those votes, I am not so sure about Obama, he's got a lot of work to do to win those votes.

Lyle the voter registration here is 2 to 1 Democrat

[El Kabong]

Trainer....that doesn't mean too much right now seeing how the Democrat Primary has been the only one going on for quite some time...therefore people can switch parties and have a say in what goes on in a primary seeing how they didn't have a say in the other one.


amat....I didn't say it meant anything in the PRIMARY....it means a BUNCH in the general election. When you lose by 40% then you're going to lose the state it doesn't matter what party you're in or what you stand for you lost by 40% and you'r going to lose the state to whoever runs against you in a general election.....if Obama ran against the son of Satan who demanded 50 Aborotions a day and released all the sex offenders from the state prisons, Obama would lose given the numbers he had in West Virginia.



I hate to be confrontational but it's the TRUTH and along with Michigan and Florida and given his poor connection with blue collar workers it's going to be hard for him to win the general election....I hate to break it to you but POLITICALLY it's reality until he seriously changes himself in the public's view.....sorry bro, I see what people like in Obama but I am not voting for him.....not now and not anytime soon because slick talkers and guys with no experience haven't helped us at all in the past 16 years

[El Kabong]

Gah Lyle that is so garbage he obviously meant to say 47.

West Virginia means nothing, Lyle you love the system so much, working within the system there is virtually no way Hillary can win and right after that win in West Virginia she lost the super delegate lead which is the card her camp has been playing since she lost Iowa.

As for that....well if Dan Quayle said it then it would be on Saturday Night Live and everyone would laugh their assesoff at it but since Obama says it then it's "just a mistake"/"He was tired give him a break".....accept it he fucked up and it was funny as fuck....it's no different than "You have to put food on your family" or "Awesome speech man" from W.

[Trainer Monkey]

Trainer....that doesn't mean too much right now seeing how the Democrat Primary has been the only one going on for quite some time...therefore people can switch parties and have a say in what goes on in a primary seeing how they didn't have a say in the other one.


amat....I didn't say it meant anything in the PRIMARY....it means a BUNCH in the general election. When you lose by 40% then you're going to lose the state it doesn't matter what party you're in or what you stand for you lost by 40% and you'r going to lose the state to whoever runs against you in a general election.....if Obama ran against the son of Satan who demanded 50 Aborotions a day and released all the sex offenders from the state prisons, Obama would lose given the numbers he had in West Virginia.



I hate to be confrontational but it's the TRUTH and along with Michigan and Florida and given his poor connection with blue collar workers it's going to be hard for him to win the general election....I hate to break it to you but POLITICALLY it's reality until he seriously changes himself in the public's view.....sorry bro, I see what people like in Obama but I am not voting for him.....not now and not anytime soon because slick talkers and guys with no experience haven't helped us at all in the past 16 years

Lyle its allways been that way,we send Byrd and Rockefeller to the Senate, and Rahall to the House of Reps,and have Manchin for a governer,sorry to break it to you,its a pretty liberal state

[El Kabong]

...so is North Carolina....only we have SOUTHERN Democrats which is just as good as a Republican only they'll never call themselves that.


North Carolina is the most progressive state in the south, our state senate/governors/etc are all democrats and yet nationally we vote for Republicans.


If Obama wins, I'm rooting for him to do the right things and get America back on track but if he doesn't I'm going to call him out on it.

[Trainer Monkey]

...so is North Carolina....only we have SOUTHERN Democrats which is just as good as a Republican only they'll never call themselves that.


North Carolina is the most progressive state in the south, our state senate/governors/etc are all democrats and yet nationally we vote for Republicans.


If Obama wins, I'm rooting for him to do the right things and get America back on track but if he doesn't I'm going to call him out on it.

Right now Im looking at it like this,Bush and Cheney have left the living room looking like a frat party gone south,McCain will just keep trashing the joint,Hillary will ignore alot of it,and start dusting,Im hoping Obama will actually pick up the damned furniture and the nachos on the floor.
My choice was Edwards,but he got distracted by his wife getting sick

[bcollins]

...so is North Carolina....only we have SOUTHERN Democrats which is just as good as a Republican only they'll never call themselves that.


North Carolina is the most progressive state in the south, our state senate/governors/etc are all democrats and yet nationally we vote for Republicans.


If Obama wins, I'm rooting for him to do the right things and get America back on track but if he doesn't I'm going to call him out on it.

The problem is that, no matter who wins, the country is not going to get back on track for years. I know you don't seem to like Bill Clinton, but at least we were operating in the black for a bit during his term. The war, economically speaking, is only beneficial to select groups in our country - while being essentially devestating to the nation as a whole. I hear a lot of rationalization as to the reasons behind the slumping economy, but a lot of that is just plain bullshit. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

When was the last time the US dollar was this weak, relative to the global economy?

[Trainer Monkey]

...so is North Carolina....only we have SOUTHERN Democrats which is just as good as a Republican only they'll never call themselves that.


North Carolina is the most progressive state in the south, our state senate/governors/etc are all democrats and yet nationally we vote for Republicans.


If Obama wins, I'm rooting for him to do the right things and get America back on track but if he doesn't I'm going to call him out on it.

The problem is that, no matter who wins, the country is not going to get back on track for years. I know you don't seem to like Bill Clinton, but at least we were operating in the black for a bit during his term. The war, economically speaking, is only beneficial to select groups in our country - while being essentially devestating to the nation as a whole. I hear a lot of rationalization as to the reasons behind the slumping economy, but a lot of that is just plain bullshit. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

When was the last time the US dollar was this weak, relative to the global economy?

No freaking kidding,the next President is going to have a monumental task just get things back to an even keel,and not as completely screwed as things are now

[El Kabong]

....the problem is that people are making big bank on this faux split in America between Democrats and Republicans and you're playing into it.

Sure I don't like Obama's politics but he's not going to destroy America...I don't like Hillary but she's not going to destroy America...I do like McCain and he's not going to destroy America either. So all this talk about who is going to continue what is just talk...I think all the candidates want to do a lot of things different or better than W.

America has survived lousy Presidents on more than one occasion and this won't be the last time something like this happens.

[bcollins]

....the problem is that people are making big bank on this faux split in America between Democrats and Republicans and you're playing into it.

Sure I don't like Obama's politics but he's not going to destroy America...I don't like Hillary but she's not going to destroy America...I do like McCain and he's not going to destroy America either. So all this talk about who is going to continue what is just talk...I think all the candidates want to do a lot of things different or better than W.

America has survived lousy Presidents on more than one occasion and this won't be the last time something like this happens.

I think these are very dangerous assumptions to make. The nation might withstand deep divisions, but then again, it might not. I truly believe that if some fundamental changes in the structure - in the very foundation - of government do not occur reasonably soon, then our nation will not survive. Mind you, I'm speaking in the long-term, but I care about that as well.

[Von Milash]

No single leader can ruin a country based on democracy, but they CAN exacerbate the situation.