Was Muhammad Ali really the best

[El Kabong]

Its getting ridiculous now thou,youve got guys like Valuev and Lewis lumbering around the ring,and all they have to do is land a single punch. The weight classes need some restructuring,and thats the easiest fix

Yes but Chagaev who is FAR from a super heavyweight ( 6'1 228 )beat Valuev(7'0 319) and hell you could make a case for Monte Barrett hurting Valuev because he did...and Taras Bidenko too


Lennox Lewis was one thing, but right now the Lewis', Bowe's, and Klitschko's of the world don't come along very often and even if they did they don't stick around very long.


I think if you put Joe Calzaghe or Kelly Pavlik in with the right heavyweight they would win

[Trainer Monkey]

Its getting ridiculous now thou,youve got guys like Valuev and Lewis lumbering around the ring,and all they have to do is land a single punch. The weight classes need some restructuring,and thats the easiest fix

Yes but Chagaev who is FAR from a super heavyweight ( 6'1 228 )beat Valuev(7'0 319) and hell you could make a case for Monte Barrett hurting Valuev because he did...and Taras Bidenko too


Lennox Lewis was one thing, but right now the Lewis', Bowe's, and Klitschko's of the world don't come along very often and even if they did they don't stick around very long.


I think if you put Joe Calzaghe or Kelly Pavlik in with the right heavyweight they would win

But lets face it,its the bread and butter division of boxing,and these guys are slower then dirt,it sucks the life out of the whole sport.
I mean you can get a good win against them,but even having them box in the division screws things up

[Shamrock]

I found this on George Foreman's web site. His ratings ofthe top 10 heavy's of all time....

1. Joe Louis.
   To be honest with you, number two is way off. Joe Louis is in a
   class by himself.
2. Rocky Marciano.Just look at Rocky Marciano's record. Nobody beat him. You can't
   take that from him.
3. Jack Johnson.A big brave cat, because he'd do whatever he wanted and get out of
   the way.
4. Muhammad Ali. Put him down as the GREATEST MAN to ever box, and a hero
   bigger than boxing. Once Ali lost his speed, it only showed that
   he'd never developed a great defense.
5. Joe Frazier.
   Only because he depended solely on his left hook do I rate Joe
   Frazier below Marciano. Marciano could hit with both hands.
6. Jack Dempsy.
   Jack Dempsy's very name means strength and courage. Other than
   Joe Louis, there is not a name in boxing or in sports with more
   meaning.
7. Mike Tyson. A phenomenon. What Mike Tyson was able to do with his speed of
   hand and punching power is as phenomenal as what Muhammad
   Ali did when he was Cassius Clay with speed of feet. Tyson
   deserves to be in the top ten; this is where I put him, the youngest
   man to become Heavyweight Champion of the World.
8. Sonny Liston.If Sonny Liston truly had not lost his cool, had not underestimated a
   young Cassius Clay; and kept the same mind set that he had as a
   contender, history would have been a lot kinder to him. Sonny
   Liston could not believe Muhammad Ali was so fast and had so
   much courage. It just made him fall apart.
9. Floyd Patterson. The First Two-Time Heavyweight Champion of the World.
10. Evander Holyfield. For standing up to Mike Tyson

As you see, I didn't make the list...
The first time around, George Foreman was too mean and too crude.
The second time around, too sophisticated and too publicity conscious to
exploit his power...

Honorable Mention (Alphabetically ordered)

• Max Baer
• Ezzard Charles
• Jersey Joe Walcott

[ICB]

I found this on George Foreman's web site. His ratings ofthe top 10 heavy's of all time....

1. Joe Louis.
   To be honest with you, number two is way off. Joe Louis is in a
   class by himself.
2. Rocky Marciano.Just look at Rocky Marciano's record. Nobody beat him. You can't
   take that from him.
3. Jack Johnson.A big brave cat, because he'd do whatever he wanted and get out of
   the way.
4. Muhammad Ali. Put him down as the GREATEST MAN to ever box, and a hero
   bigger than boxing. Once Ali lost his speed, it only showed that
   he'd never developed a great defense.
5. Joe Frazier.
   Only because he depended solely on his left hook do I rate Joe
   Frazier below Marciano. Marciano could hit with both hands.
6. Jack Dempsy.
   Jack Dempsy's very name means strength and courage. Other than
   Joe Louis, there is not a name in boxing or in sports with more
   meaning.
7. Mike Tyson. A phenomenon. What Mike Tyson was able to do with his speed of
   hand and punching power is as phenomenal as what Muhammad
   Ali did when he was Cassius Clay with speed of feet. Tyson
   deserves to be in the top ten; this is where I put him, the youngest
   man to become Heavyweight Champion of the World.
8. Sonny Liston.If Sonny Liston truly had not lost his cool, had not underestimated a
   young Cassius Clay; and kept the same mind set that he had as a
   contender, history would have been a lot kinder to him. Sonny
   Liston could not believe Muhammad Ali was so fast and had so
   much courage. It just made him fall apart.
9. Floyd Patterson. The First Two-Time Heavyweight Champion of the World.
10. Evander Holyfield. For standing up to Mike Tyson

As you see, I didn't make the list...
The first time around, George Foreman was too mean and too crude.
The second time around, too sophisticated and too publicity conscious to
exploit his power...

Honorable Mention (Alphabetically ordered)

• Max Baer
• Ezzard Charles
• Jersey Joe Walcott

Larry Holmes didn't make the list because Foreman hates Holmes and vice a versa. But still even if you hate the guy you should still do an unbiased list which that clearly isn't.

[BIG H]

Holmes come in at 3, maybe 2 on my list