I got a question.....

[ono]

If you're doing cardio on an empty stomach i would advise doing low intensity for somewhere in the region of 30 mins. Anything other than low intensity will lead to muscle loss (a lot). By low intensity i mean walking (quite a fast pace).

I'm not sure I agree with this. High intesity exercise like sprints will increase muscle mass in your legs. What is low intensity will depend on how fit you are so it doesn't have to mean walking.

I also would say that while I don't usually have a problem eating small amounts before an intense workout most people will have issues if they eat within an hour immediately before a hard workout. I wouldn't say that exercising hard on an empty stomach is bad as long as you don't feel drained. I would often leave breakfast until after my harder morning workouts if I do it early enough - say 5 or 6 am.

Hig intensity training on an empty stomach will result in a loss of muscle mass.

Exercising like this on a empty stomach is the last thing you want to do if you want to build muscle.

Suppose it all depends on what your goals are.

[Sharla]

If you're doing cardio on an empty stomach i would advise doing low intensity for somewhere in the region of 30 mins. Anything other than low intensity will lead to muscle loss (a lot). By low intensity i mean walking (quite a fast pace).

I'm not sure I agree with this. High intesity exercise like sprints will increase muscle mass in your legs. What is low intensity will depend on how fit you are so it doesn't have to mean walking.

I also would say that while I don't usually have a problem eating small amounts before an intense workout most people will have issues if they eat within an hour immediately before a hard workout. I wouldn't say that exercising hard on an empty stomach is bad as long as you don't feel drained. I would often leave breakfast until after my harder morning workouts if I do it early enough - say 5 or 6 am.

Hig intensity training on an empty stomach will result in a loss of muscle mass.

Exercising like this on a empty stomach is the last thing you want to do if you want to build muscle.

Suppose it all depends on what your goals are.

Nope! This is so wrong get your facts straight! Something sitting in your stomach is not yet available to your muscles. It takes energy to digest food. You need to digest it before you can use it. If you train too intensely too quickly after eating you'll just want to throw up because your body will find ti too hard to train intensely and use energy to digest your food at the same time.

You can train while ingesting very high GI, small amounts like energy gels which are pretty much pure glucose but thse things are usually reserved for endurance events like marathons, long triathlons etc where you're likely to compete for durations longer than 2 hours and use all of your glycogen reserves.

Glucose will help fuel long (relatively low intensity) endurance events but what you need to stop loosing muscle mass is protein and carbohydrates AFTER training. when your muscles need to repair - often i think they recommend something 20 mins after a session.

[Dizaster]

There is just a tonne of good stuff in this thread...

I just moved out recently and have been out of the habit of exercising for quite a while..

I've got 2 sets of dumbells and a small exercise bench so I can vary my exercises... I had a big chin-up/dip station at my old house but havn't moved it to the new house yet as I don't have any room for it..
The crown jewel of my equipment is a super expensive exercise bike like the ones they have in gyms.. Fully programmable with slopes etc... It can even save your workout and you can race against yourself next time... I enjoy using that while watching a movie or television.. I think it helps HUGELY to find a way of enjoying your exercise... As much as possible anyway, while your still pushing yourself...
I also had a punching bag, speed bag & double ended bag in my old garage, but again I don't really have anywhere to put these in the new house which is really sad..


I'm looking at getting one of those stands that Mick bought... I know it doesn't allow much freedom of movement around the bag, but i'm not going to be competing so i'm willing to accept that downfall of not having the free movement.. I can still work myself hard, as boxing is the one exercise/fitness thing that I genuinally look forward to....


Anyway Mick, anytime i'm looking at getting back into my exercise, I visit my 2 favourite websites on the subject... I've posted these about 15 times on Saddo's over the years, but it's because they are so inspirational and have good info.... The same guy runs them both, and he actually sells the program, but the website alone has enough great info to get you started and actually enough info to really get you good results....
Sometime when I have the money though I think i'll grab one of his programs... But check the websites out anyway and bookmark them to come back too.



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[ono]

I'm not sure I agree with this. High intesity exercise like sprints will increase muscle mass in your legs. What is low intensity will depend on how fit you are so it doesn't have to mean walking.

I also would say that while I don't usually have a problem eating small amounts before an intense workout most people will have issues if they eat within an hour immediately before a hard workout. I wouldn't say that exercising hard on an empty stomach is bad as long as you don't feel drained. I would often leave breakfast until after my harder morning workouts if I do it early enough - say 5 or 6 am.

Hig intensity training on an empty stomach will result in a loss of muscle mass.

Exercising like this on a empty stomach is the last thing you want to do if you want to build muscle.

Suppose it all depends on what your goals are.

Nope! This is so wrong get your facts straight! Something sitting in your stomach is not yet available to your muscles. It takes energy to digest food. You need to digest it before you can use it. If you train too intensely too quickly after eating you'll just want to throw up because your body will find ti too hard to train intensely and use energy to digest your food at the same time.

You can train while ingesting very high GI, small amounts like energy gels which are pretty much pure glucose but thse things are usually reserved for endurance events like marathons, long triathlons etc where you're likely to compete for durations longer than 2 hours and use all of your glycogen reserves.

Glucose will help fuel long (relatively low intensity) endurance events but what you need to stop loosing muscle mass is protein and carbohydrates AFTER training. when your muscles need to repair - often i think they recommend something 20 mins after a session.

I have got my facts straight. Your missing my point completely. If you are using energy gels then you are not training on an empty stomach! You are using glucose.

I was simply saying, that training like that on an EMPTY STOMACH will lead to muscle loss.

[Sharla]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

[ono]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

Sharla i think we both have different ideas as to what constitutes an empty stomach.

By empty stomach i mean first thing on a morning before breakfast, training in a catabolic state where you haven't eaten for 8-10 hours.

When you wake up your body is in its most catabolic state. Cortisol levels in your body are as high as they would be directly after pro-longed intense exercise. It wouldn't be good to train intensely in this state. It would be very catabolic. Breaking down muscle tissue, while your stress hormone (cortisol) is at it's highest is a very very bad idea.

Training 2 hours after a meal is perfectly fine so long as you've adequetly digested the food.

This happens mainly in the small intestine. Starch is processed by amylase(an enzyme) which converts it to sucrose and maltose

Maltose and Sucrose then get absorbed into the lining of the cells in the intestine where they are converted into Glucose.

The pancreas then releases insulin to basically convert it into glycogen. Once this as happened, you're good to go.

I think we had different ideas of what an empty stomach is.

[Sharla]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

Sharla i think we both have different ideas as to what constitutes an empty stomach.

By empty stomach i mean first thing on a morning before breakfast, training in a catabolic state where you haven't eaten for 8-10 hours.

When you wake up your body is in its most catabolic state. Cortisol levels in your body are as high as they would be directly after pro-longed intense exercise. It wouldn't be good to train intensely in this state. It would be very catabolic. Breaking down muscle tissue, while your stress hormone (cortisol) is at it's highest is a very very bad idea.

Training 2 hours after a meal is perfectly fine so long as you've adequetly digested the food.

This happens mainly in the small intestine. Starch is processed by amylase(an enzyme) which converts it to sucrose and maltose

Maltose and Sucrose then get absorbed into the lining of the cells in the intestine where they are converted into Glucose.

The pancreas then releases insulin to basically convert it into glycogen. Once this as happened, you're good to go.

I think we had different ideas of what an empty stomach is.

ok that makes more sense to me than literally an empty stomach

[ICB]

I made my own speedbag platform.

[ono]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

Sharla i think we both have different ideas as to what constitutes an empty stomach.

By empty stomach i mean first thing on a morning before breakfast, training in a catabolic state where you haven't eaten for 8-10 hours.

When you wake up your body is in its most catabolic state. Cortisol levels in your body are as high as they would be directly after pro-longed intense exercise. It wouldn't be good to train intensely in this state. It would be very catabolic. Breaking down muscle tissue, while your stress hormone (cortisol) is at it's highest is a very very bad idea.

Training 2 hours after a meal is perfectly fine so long as you've adequetly digested the food.

This happens mainly in the small intestine. Starch is processed by amylase(an enzyme) which converts it to sucrose and maltose

Maltose and Sucrose then get absorbed into the lining of the cells in the intestine where they are converted into Glucose.

The pancreas then releases insulin to basically convert it into glycogen. Once this as happened, you're good to go.

I think we had different ideas of what an empty stomach is.

ok that makes more sense to me than literally an empty stomach

Yeh we're cool now tho.