I got a question.....

[Dizaster]

For starters I want to thank EVERYONE for their advice I really appreciate it.

uhhh...u pay for that thing already?

Mick,

A, I'm surprised you're such a fan of bxing yet have never really done it. (Am I right?)

B, I hate to tell you this, bro, but I think honestly is best. Cancel your order if you can. you are far etter off to stick with itemizing things.... buy a decent heavy bag from title or ringsde an hang it from your rafters.

screw the speed bag. if you're a newb, you don't need it. The truth is, you'll be disappointed with that speedbag. the bag will have poor action and the platform will be very flimsy. You have to spend big bucks tog et a decent speedbag platform. I made my own out of wood form a high end lumber yeard. $65 should get you some nice 2" thick red oak. Then buy a bag and swivel from title.

Von,

1. I've boxed before and have been in a gym.

2. When I said what do I do with it, I meant the actual item asking if anyone else had one or had used one. I guess I should have been more specific.

3. Your "Return Item" comment scares me... The thing with buying the items in sections to set them up alone would be buying/building the mounts and or areas in which to set them up which I think is more then what I want. I've got enough tasks here fixing up my house with remodeling and doorways etc. etc. that the last thing I'd want is another job.

Thank you for your honesty I can appreciate that, but I guess at this moment I have no choice and I have to make the best of it. Maybe you can help me out and find a way to work with what I've got.

I'm going to have a look at one of the stands in a week or 2 at a sport store around the corner, so i'll tell you how much room they have etc... I'll also test the speed bag platform out to see if they are sturdy.. Even though i'm sure different brands are a bit different, i'll get an idea whether they are just crap or worthwhile... If it came to it, you could probably upgrade the wood to something a little thicker or even get a new swivel/bag eventually...

It's difficult not having any place to hang that stuff.. Especially a double ended bag..

[ono]

I'm not sure I agree with this. High intesity exercise like sprints will increase muscle mass in your legs. What is low intensity will depend on how fit you are so it doesn't have to mean walking.

I also would say that while I don't usually have a problem eating small amounts before an intense workout most people will have issues if they eat within an hour immediately before a hard workout. I wouldn't say that exercising hard on an empty stomach is bad as long as you don't feel drained. I would often leave breakfast until after my harder morning workouts if I do it early enough - say 5 or 6 am.

Hig intensity training on an empty stomach will result in a loss of muscle mass.

Exercising like this on a empty stomach is the last thing you want to do if you want to build muscle.

Suppose it all depends on what your goals are.

Nope! This is so wrong get your facts straight! Something sitting in your stomach is not yet available to your muscles. It takes energy to digest food. You need to digest it before you can use it. If you train too intensely too quickly after eating you'll just want to throw up because your body will find ti too hard to train intensely and use energy to digest your food at the same time.

You can train while ingesting very high GI, small amounts like energy gels which are pretty much pure glucose but thse things are usually reserved for endurance events like marathons, long triathlons etc where you're likely to compete for durations longer than 2 hours and use all of your glycogen reserves.

Glucose will help fuel long (relatively low intensity) endurance events but what you need to stop loosing muscle mass is protein and carbohydrates AFTER training. when your muscles need to repair - often i think they recommend something 20 mins after a session.

I have got my facts straight. Your missing my point completely. If you are using energy gels then you are not training on an empty stomach! You are using glucose.

I was simply saying, that training like that on an EMPTY STOMACH will lead to muscle loss.

[Sharla]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

[ono]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

Sharla i think we both have different ideas as to what constitutes an empty stomach.

By empty stomach i mean first thing on a morning before breakfast, training in a catabolic state where you haven't eaten for 8-10 hours.

When you wake up your body is in its most catabolic state. Cortisol levels in your body are as high as they would be directly after pro-longed intense exercise. It wouldn't be good to train intensely in this state. It would be very catabolic. Breaking down muscle tissue, while your stress hormone (cortisol) is at it's highest is a very very bad idea.

Training 2 hours after a meal is perfectly fine so long as you've adequetly digested the food.

This happens mainly in the small intestine. Starch is processed by amylase(an enzyme) which converts it to sucrose and maltose

Maltose and Sucrose then get absorbed into the lining of the cells in the intestine where they are converted into Glucose.

The pancreas then releases insulin to basically convert it into glycogen. Once this as happened, you're good to go.

I think we had different ideas of what an empty stomach is.

[Sharla]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

Sharla i think we both have different ideas as to what constitutes an empty stomach.

By empty stomach i mean first thing on a morning before breakfast, training in a catabolic state where you haven't eaten for 8-10 hours.

When you wake up your body is in its most catabolic state. Cortisol levels in your body are as high as they would be directly after pro-longed intense exercise. It wouldn't be good to train intensely in this state. It would be very catabolic. Breaking down muscle tissue, while your stress hormone (cortisol) is at it's highest is a very very bad idea.

Training 2 hours after a meal is perfectly fine so long as you've adequetly digested the food.

This happens mainly in the small intestine. Starch is processed by amylase(an enzyme) which converts it to sucrose and maltose

Maltose and Sucrose then get absorbed into the lining of the cells in the intestine where they are converted into Glucose.

The pancreas then releases insulin to basically convert it into glycogen. Once this as happened, you're good to go.

I think we had different ideas of what an empty stomach is.

ok that makes more sense to me than literally an empty stomach

[ICB]

I made my own speedbag platform.

[Dizaster]

I made my own speedbag platform.

Same here at my old house...

The key is definetely to make it as solid as possible... The wood I used was probably about 3/4 of and inch thick, so not to much, but I really mounted it quite solidly... Even with that though, it moved just a tiny bit when I was hitting the bag, and that would wash some of the speed off the bag and it didn't feel as good as if it was completely solid.... Some really thick dense wood and a solid mount would make for an awesome platform... And homemade ones can be just as good as a professional one for the same price, or less...

[ono]

You don't usually use energy gels for most workouts - it's more for long workouts / races. Sometimes you will use it pre-bout for a boost but definately not for normal training and it will NOT cause muscle mass loss to train at a high intensity on an empty stomach.

You are more likely to have trouble training at a high intensity at all with normal meal in your stomach. Eating to refuel AFTER a hard workout however is important.

Sharla i think we both have different ideas as to what constitutes an empty stomach.

By empty stomach i mean first thing on a morning before breakfast, training in a catabolic state where you haven't eaten for 8-10 hours.

When you wake up your body is in its most catabolic state. Cortisol levels in your body are as high as they would be directly after pro-longed intense exercise. It wouldn't be good to train intensely in this state. It would be very catabolic. Breaking down muscle tissue, while your stress hormone (cortisol) is at it's highest is a very very bad idea.

Training 2 hours after a meal is perfectly fine so long as you've adequetly digested the food.

This happens mainly in the small intestine. Starch is processed by amylase(an enzyme) which converts it to sucrose and maltose

Maltose and Sucrose then get absorbed into the lining of the cells in the intestine where they are converted into Glucose.

The pancreas then releases insulin to basically convert it into glycogen. Once this as happened, you're good to go.

I think we had different ideas of what an empty stomach is.

ok that makes more sense to me than literally an empty stomach

Yeh we're cool now tho.

[Tito BHB]

Mann.. I cant help you as well as some of the guys on here.. But damn..

I will tell you brother i want one of those fuckers.. DAMN

lol.. As far as workout make your own drills or drills you can find and use them as you please.. The speed bag and 'double end bag'.. Ive always called it a floor to cieling bag .. One you start using them more and get to grips with the speedbag theyre just really good tune up devices.. make you sharper quicker, your timing better..

Im pretty jealous my bro.

[Von Milash]

For starters I want to thank EVERYONE for their advice I really appreciate it.

uhhh...u pay for that thing already?

Mick,

A, I'm surprised you're such a fan of bxing yet have never really done it. (Am I right?)

B, I hate to tell you this, bro, but I think honestly is best. Cancel your order if you can. you are far etter off to stick with itemizing things.... buy a decent heavy bag from title or ringsde an hang it from your rafters.

screw the speed bag. if you're a newb, you don't need it. The truth is, you'll be disappointed with that speedbag. the bag will have poor action and the platform will be very flimsy. You have to spend big bucks tog et a decent speedbag platform. I made my own out of wood form a high end lumber yeard. $65 should get you some nice 2" thick red oak. Then buy a bag and swivel from title.

Von,

1. I've boxed before and have been in a gym.

2. When I said what do I do with it, I meant the actual item asking if anyone else had one or had used one. I guess I should have been more specific.

3. Your "Return Item" comment scares me... The thing with buying the items in sections to set them up alone would be buying/building the mounts and or areas in which to set them up which I think is more then what I want. I've got enough tasks here fixing up my house with remodeling and doorways etc. etc. that the last thing I'd want is another job.

Thank you for your honesty I can appreciate that, but I guess at this moment I have no choice and I have to make the best of it. Maybe you can help me out and find a way to work with what I've got.

well, I hope I'm wrong then. The double ender will be fine, and he heavy ok too mmost likely. but try your best to anchor the speed bag platform. you might be wise to build your own platform after the fact and secure THAT to it. th heavier the platform, the better the rebound/action. as you already know.

[CutMeMick]

Well it got here last week on Thur. I built it and all I need to get some weight to give it more stability and I'm ready to go.

I'm very proud of myself I've cut out Soda, beer and lots of fatty foods out of my menu. Coming from a Mexican family we eat everything fried. We deeep fry just about anything and we don't use oil cause that's too healthy we use lard.

Anyway I've been eating healthy and I havent had a burger or a taco in about 3 weeks now. Lot's of salads well cooked chicken breast, steaks, veggies, peanuts, wheat, everything "light" or "non-fat".

No more cookies in the morning all I have is fruit and cereal the occasional toast with juice and I also make some shakes.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Robert,

Sorry for the belated reply, you know I'm good for an excuse!

Assuming you're not going to train to box competitvely, I wouldn't box every day. That system could work incredibly well on the days you use it, but I would implement some other ideas in order to maximise your gains/losses whichever you aim for.

I would aim for a five or six day regimen,

On 3 days (not together) I would box. Hit the bag, shadow box, throw on the double end bag, bang the speed ball. As your'e looking for fitness rather than skill keep the tempo high and the volume continuous.

On these same 3 days, I would then utilise the treadmill for a medium to long run.

On the other 2/3 days I would then concentrate on weight training.
Obviously your weight programme is highly personalised and your workout would be tailor made for your requirements, but weights are an excellent training concept whether your trying to bulk or become more compact.

These same 2 or 3 days I would use the treadmuill for a sprint routine.
Dare I mention the dreaded tabatas

Finally, nutrition is three quuarters of the battle, if you can keep the mind strong and the body well fuelled you can achieve just about anything, I truely mean that.

Best wishes and good luck,
HmD

[CutMeMick]

Should I use air or helium to inflate the speed bag and the double end bag?

Anyone?

[CutMeMick]

Robert,

Sorry for the belated reply, you know I'm good for an excuse!

Assuming you're not going to train to box competitvely, I wouldn't box every day. That system could work incredibly well on the days you use it, but I would implement some other ideas in order to maximise your gains/losses whichever you aim for.

I would aim for a five or six day regimen,

On 3 days (not together) I would box. Hit the bag, shadow box, throw on the double end bag, bang the speed ball. As your'e looking for fitness rather than skill keep the tempo high and the volume continuous.

On these same 3 days, I would then utilise the treadmill for a medium to long run.

On the other 2/3 days I would then concentrate on weight training.
Obviously your weight programme is highly personalised and your workout would be tailor made for your requirements, but weights are an excellent training concept whether your trying to bulk or become more compact.

These same 2 or 3 days I would use the treadmuill for a sprint routine.
Dare I mention the dreaded tabatas

Finally, nutrition is three quuarters of the battle, if you can keep the mind strong and the body well fuelled you can achieve just about anything, I truely mean that.

Best wishes and good luck,
HmD

Donny thanks a lot for your input I really appreciate it.

[CutMeMick]

Should I use air or helium to inflate the speed bag and the double end bag?

Anyone?

I used air...