Hatton is lucky he never made it past Mayweather

[ono]

Stupid post. If Hatton was good enough to beat Mayweather (He isn't) I'm sure he could beat or give a very hard fight to Cotto; So when you look at it if Hatton had beat Mayweather a lot of people would be confident that he would beat Cotto.

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

[HattonTheHammer]

Stupid post. If Hatton was good enough to beat Mayweather (He isn't) I'm sure he could beat or give a very hard fight to Cotto; So when you look at it if Hatton had beat Mayweather a lot of people would be confident that he would beat Cotto.

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

[killersheep]

Stupid post. If Hatton was good enough to beat Mayweather (He isn't) I'm sure he could beat or give a very hard fight to Cotto; So when you look at it if Hatton had beat Mayweather a lot of people would be confident that he would beat Cotto.

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

[HattonTheHammer]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

[killersheep]

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

Stop changing my words. For example where I say "world of difference" you change it to "ineffective". Of course it will be easier for someone that's 6'0" tall to move from 147 to 154 than someone that's 5'6" to move from 140 to 147. Don't bring in that walking around weight crap about Hatton either his fighting weight is 140 period.

[HattonTheHammer]

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

Stop changing my words. For example where I say "world of difference" you change it to "ineffective". Of course it will be easier for someone that's 6'0" tall to move from 147 to 154 than someone that's 5'6" to move from 140 to 147. Don't bring in that walking around weight crap about Hatton either his fighting weight is 140 period.

As is floyds natural weight 136, cottos 140, RJJ and hopkins 160...

need i go on?

[killersheep]

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

Stop changing my words. For example where I say "world of difference" you change it to "ineffective". Of course it will be easier for someone that's 6'0" tall to move from 147 to 154 than someone that's 5'6" to move from 140 to 147. Don't bring in that walking around weight crap about Hatton either his fighting weight is 140 period.

As is floyds natural weight 136, cottos 140, RJJ and hopkins 160...

need i go on?

Sure go on, I don't think any of those fighters could make that weight anymore, PBF may be an exception but I don't know if he could get below 140 anymore , but those are no longer their fighting weights.

[ICB]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

I have to agree with Sheep here i have sparred with naturally bigger fighters and i can tell you, you can feel the difference.

[boozeboxer]

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

I have to agree with Sheep here i have sparred with naturally bigger fighters and i can tell you, you can feel the difference.

Hammer you are once again being stupid, however fearing the wrath of your negative rep I will politely try to show you the light.

Uncle Killersheep is right. You can be very very good at 140 and ineffective at 147. Hell Hatton is a classic example of this. Who did he fight at 147, Collozo. A guy who is pretty ackward and game but we can't really say he is world class can we. Where is he now?
Naturally, as Killsheep pointed, it is much easier for bigger guys to move up. So it would be substantially easier for Paul Williams or any large welter to move to 154 compared to a JW moving up to WW. That is common sense. They are moving up less %-wise.

[amat]

It's easy watching Hatton at 140 and then watching him at 147 that 140 is clearly the better weight for him. Not nearly as sluggish and he was tiring down the stretch at welterweight, it's a big difference you can see just by watching.

[ono]

Stupid post. If Hatton was good enough to beat Mayweather (He isn't) I'm sure he could beat or give a very hard fight to Cotto; So when you look at it if Hatton had beat Mayweather a lot of people would be confident that he would beat Cotto.

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

[ICB]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

Spot on some rep for that i think people actually need to experience what its like sparring/fighting against a naturally bigger fighter, i think a lot of people would be shocked.

[Kel]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

Spot on. That's why Ricky will never be(or never was should I say)a force at 147.

[Taeth]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

Your making bad excuses... Hatton never was a huge puncher, he wouldn't have to be if he still had good stamina, used his skills more. THere have been other successful pressure fighers who didn't hit really hard. Hatton just needed to utilize his speed more, and the biggest problem he had with Collazo, except him being southpaw, and MAyweather is that they were quick enough to counter him in no man's land whereas everyone else he fought didn't have the speed to make Hatton pay for his mistakes.

Same thing to a smaller degree with Hopkins vs Calzaghe, while Hopkins was fresher he was able to catch Calzaghe in situations where nobody else was able to, and Roy JOnes Jr would have been able to as well.

AS for Cotto I am saying that the style matchup is absolutely horrible for Hatton, not that Cotto is way better even though he sort of is.

[ono]

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

Your making bad excuses... Hatton never was a huge puncher, he wouldn't have to be if he still had good stamina, used his skills more. THere have been other successful pressure fighers who didn't hit really hard. Hatton just needed to utilize his speed more, and the biggest problem he had with Collazo, except him being southpaw, and MAyweather is that they were quick enough to counter him in no man's land whereas everyone else he fought didn't have the speed to make Hatton pay for his mistakes.

Same thing to a smaller degree with Hopkins vs Calzaghe, while Hopkins was fresher he was able to catch Calzaghe in situations where nobody else was able to, and Roy JOnes Jr would have been able to as well.

AS for Cotto I am saying that the style matchup is absolutely horrible for Hatton, not that Cotto is way better even though he sort of is.

I don't think anybody is making excuses. We were just pretty much stating that Hatton isn't world class at 147. And there are obviously multiple reasons for this.