Hatton is lucky he never made it past Mayweather

[killersheep]

Stupid post. If Hatton was good enough to beat Mayweather (He isn't) I'm sure he could beat or give a very hard fight to Cotto; So when you look at it if Hatton had beat Mayweather a lot of people would be confident that he would beat Cotto.

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

[HattonTheHammer]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

[killersheep]

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

Stop changing my words. For example where I say "world of difference" you change it to "ineffective". Of course it will be easier for someone that's 6'0" tall to move from 147 to 154 than someone that's 5'6" to move from 140 to 147. Don't bring in that walking around weight crap about Hatton either his fighting weight is 140 period.

[HattonTheHammer]

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

Stop changing my words. For example where I say "world of difference" you change it to "ineffective". Of course it will be easier for someone that's 6'0" tall to move from 147 to 154 than someone that's 5'6" to move from 140 to 147. Don't bring in that walking around weight crap about Hatton either his fighting weight is 140 period.

As is floyds natural weight 136, cottos 140, RJJ and hopkins 160...

need i go on?

[killersheep]

So by that logic your claiming someone of a natural body structure to move up to 154 like paul williams becomes completely ineffective at that weight level.

Mayweather was probably told when at SF not to bother moving up, yet has become the worlds greatest p4p fighter in 3 divisions higher than where he began.

Great fighters always learn to adapt, think you`ll find at least 90% of the great fighters of the last 20 years have made their names in a variety of different divisions!!

Stop changing my words. For example where I say "world of difference" you change it to "ineffective". Of course it will be easier for someone that's 6'0" tall to move from 147 to 154 than someone that's 5'6" to move from 140 to 147. Don't bring in that walking around weight crap about Hatton either his fighting weight is 140 period.

As is floyds natural weight 136, cottos 140, RJJ and hopkins 160...

need i go on?

Sure go on, I don't think any of those fighters could make that weight anymore, PBF may be an exception but I don't know if he could get below 140 anymore , but those are no longer their fighting weights.

[HattonTheHammer]

Stop changing my words. For example where I say "world of difference" you change it to "ineffective". Of course it will be easier for someone that's 6'0" tall to move from 147 to 154 than someone that's 5'6" to move from 140 to 147. Don't bring in that walking around weight crap about Hatton either his fighting weight is 140 period.

As is floyds natural weight 136, cottos 140, RJJ and hopkins 160...

need i go on?

Sure go on, I don't think any of those fighters could make that weight anymore, PBF may be an exception but I don't know if he could get below 140 anymore , but those are no longer their fighting weights.

my point being it was all their originally natural weight divisions.

However they all now fight at bigger weights and are just as succesful.

Im the biggest hatton mark going, but to suggest he is great at 140 and complete poo at 147 is kinda naive!!!

[killersheep]

As is floyds natural weight 136, cottos 140, RJJ and hopkins 160...

need i go on?

Sure go on, I don't think any of those fighters could make that weight anymore, PBF may be an exception but I don't know if he could get below 140 anymore , but those are no longer their fighting weights.

my point being it was all their originally natural weight divisions.

However they all now fight at bigger weights and are just as succesful.

Im the biggest hatton mark going, but to suggest he is great at 140 and complete poo at 147 is kinda naive!!!

To say that he performs as well at 147 as he does at 140 is even more naive. To say that 7 pounds doesn't make a difference is completely ridiculous.

Let me spell it out since you are having a hard time with this.

A fighter has a fighting weight which is the sweet spot where their body will function on the highest level at the lowest weight. If they fight at a weight too low they will have slowed reactions and decreased stamina because the will have to dehydrate themselves to make that weight. If they fight at a weight too high, their power will be compromised. The fighting weight of a boxer will naturally increase as time goes on, as their body will not allow them to lose as much weight in a healthy way. So to say that the fighting weight of fighters that can't make that weight anymore is an exercise in ignorance.

[RozzySean]

Sure go on, I don't think any of those fighters could make that weight anymore, PBF may be an exception but I don't know if he could get below 140 anymore , but those are no longer their fighting weights.

my point being it was all their originally natural weight divisions.

However they all now fight at bigger weights and are just as succesful.

Im the biggest hatton mark going, but to suggest he is great at 140 and complete poo at 147 is kinda naive!!!

To say that he performs as well at 147 as he does at 140 is even more naive. To say that 7 pounds doesn't make a difference is completely ridiculous.

Let me spell it out since you are having a hard time with this.

A fighter has a fighting weight which is the sweet spot where their body will function on the highest level at the lowest weight. If they fight at a weight too low they will have slowed reactions and decreased stamina because the will have to dehydrate themselves to make that weight. If they fight at a weight too high, their power will be compromised. The fighting weight of a boxer will naturally increase as time goes on, as their body will not allow them to lose as much weight in a healthy way. So to say that the fighting weight of fighters that can't make that weight anymore is an exercise in ignorance.

You are 100% correct. I think some fighters have a wider sweetstop and they can move up or down without too much trouble. Hearns, for example, carried his power up a number of weight classes. It depends on your frame. Hearns had those wide shoulders, even when he was skinny. with Hatton's physique and style, he is a guy who can only fight at 140.

[ICB]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

I have to agree with Sheep here i have sparred with naturally bigger fighters and i can tell you, you can feel the difference.

[ono]

Stupid post. If Hatton was good enough to beat Mayweather (He isn't) I'm sure he could beat or give a very hard fight to Cotto; So when you look at it if Hatton had beat Mayweather a lot of people would be confident that he would beat Cotto.

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

[ICB]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

Spot on some rep for that i think people actually need to experience what its like sparring/fighting against a naturally bigger fighter, i think a lot of people would be shocked.

[boozeboxer]

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

7 pounds DOES make a world of difference. So you've never boxed I assume?

Plus most of the top welterweights are just way bigger than the top LWW.
Think of Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito. 7 pounds can mean the world.

I have to agree with Sheep here i have sparred with naturally bigger fighters and i can tell you, you can feel the difference.

Hammer you are once again being stupid, however fearing the wrath of your negative rep I will politely try to show you the light.

Uncle Killersheep is right. You can be very very good at 140 and ineffective at 147. Hell Hatton is a classic example of this. Who did he fight at 147, Collozo. A guy who is pretty ackward and game but we can't really say he is world class can we. Where is he now?
Naturally, as Killsheep pointed, it is much easier for bigger guys to move up. So it would be substantially easier for Paul Williams or any large welter to move to 154 compared to a JW moving up to WW. That is common sense. They are moving up less %-wise.

[amat]

It's easy watching Hatton at 140 and then watching him at 147 that 140 is clearly the better weight for him. Not nearly as sluggish and he was tiring down the stretch at welterweight, it's a big difference you can see just by watching.

[Kel]

Good point.

I also don't think for one minute Hatton would stay at 147. He would relinquish just like he did when he beat Collazo.

Hatton isn't a 147 fighter.....full stop.

The guy won a world title at the weight - he cant be that bad.

Sick and tired of endless pro and anti hatton fans claiming the 7pounds makes the world of difference.

Of course slight adjustments have to be made - but its 7pounds not 77!!

Hate to admit it but the reason ricky dominates at 140 yet struggles at 147 is because the 2 guys he fought at 147 are much better fighters than those in LW (barring tszyu)

You don't understand how important that 7lbs is. He struggled with Collazo because Hatton's core strength was nowhere near what Collazo's was. That's why he couldn't push him back so easy.

Core strength is so important. Unfortunately it can take a few years to build the required core strength to be effective at a weight. Ricky only had 7 weeks and thats why he struggled.

He doesn't have the reach or punching power to be effective at 147 either.

Spot on. That's why Ricky will never be(or never was should I say)a force at 147.

[Taeth]

Bah Mayweather is smaller than Hatton naturally... look where they started their careers. Mayweather uses his great spead and defensive skills to compete at WW and LMW, but he isn't a natural WW at all. Who cares at 140? Cotto hasn't foughten there in years, and if Hatton had beaten MAyweather the fight would have been at 147... its like saying Roy Jones Jr would have beaten ALi at 175 after Ali came back after his 3 year ban. THere is no way ALi would have been able to make it back down, just like it would be impossible for Cotto to make 140 now. He's a lot bigger physically than he was at 140, and he's older by a few years.

I don't think Mayweather is naturally smaller than Hatton. I think Mayweather started off in the lower weights mainly because he was under-nourished. Over the years he's filled out and gained sized without a problem.

People make the mistake of thinking Hatton is huge, because of how much he weighs in between fights. The reality is, he only adds fat. He doesn't have to lose muscle mass to reach 140. That's why he loses weight quite easily.

Hatton doesn't have the core strength to compete at 147. Core strength is very important. Mayweather obviously does.

Cotto would crush Hatton at 147. Hatton would be too much at 140 (even if they fought 2 years ago).

That's rediculous that MAyweather fought at lower weights because he was undernourished... He fought at lower weights after making millions. He isn't like DLH who has a really big frame, look how muscular Mayweather is now, he had to add on a lot of weight to get up here. Hatton weighed 160 when he fought Collazo on fight night, and thats how much Mayweather weighs inbetween fights. Obviously Hatton doesn't stay in the best shape inbetween fights, but he is thicker than MAyweather, and naturally a stouter, stronger guy.