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    Default Re: Not The Same Old excuse Again........

    Its a joke already. This guy has no respect for the sport that made him anymore.
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    I acctually think mayweather will fight him imo, all the hype is building and building and Cotto`s name is building aswell, but for all we know Cotto could get beat. I would put money on him fighting the winner eventually.
    What if he did fight beat Cotto though then what lol ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich R View Post
    I acctually think mayweather will fight him imo, all the hype is building and building and Cotto`s name is building aswell, but for all we know Cotto could get beat. I would put money on him fighting the winner eventually.
    What if he did fight beat Cotto though then what lol ?
    If he did beat Cotto then he can ride off into the sunset having answered the BIG question. Until then...........
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    Floyd will fight Cotto when Cotto becomes as big a star as he can be, after the Margarito fight and probably a couple more. If Cotto keeps winning then Floyd-Cotto becomes a far bigger commercial proposition in a year or so than it is now. Floyd only wants fights that are massive earners for him so that's why he's saying the things he's saying about DLH and why he'll do the same for a Hatton rematch. After those two massive money fights Floyd will fight and beat Cotto.

    Here's a good article about him I just bumped into :

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/sp...yt&oref=slogin

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    What? Cotto need to be defeat for say that he is a real good Star now ?
    I heard that times ago , probably when Cotto try to finish his career , maybe would say that he was real great Star...........

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    I really hope nobody buys Mayweather-De la Hoya II, but I'm sure most of the idiotic general public will

    I wish someone would ask Floyd, When has he carried a PPV card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bx730NY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich R View Post
    I acctually think mayweather will fight him imo, all the hype is building and building and Cotto`s name is building aswell, but for all we know Cotto could get beat. I would put money on him fighting the winner eventually.
    What if he did fight beat Cotto though then what lol ?
    If he did beat Cotto then he can ride off into the sunset having answered the BIG question. Until then...........
    Tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered. Because all the "can he" "will he's" that people have used against him he has already proven he can and will. Its the fans that refuse to accept it.

    But feel free to tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered.
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    Before PBF fought and beat DLH his haters said if he beat oscar he'd porven himself.

    Then they said if he beat Hatton he'd have proven himself.

    Now its Cotto.

    If he beats Cotto they will say he hasnt proved himself til he wins a 160 title or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
    Before PBF fought and beat DLH his haters said if he beat oscar he'd porven himself.

    Then they said if he beat Hatton he'd have proven himself.

    Now its Cotto.

    If he beats Cotto they will say he hasnt proved himself til he wins a 160 title or something.
    I think most knew that once Judah fell to Cotto that that was the fight to be made and I would think the majority of fans would have rather seen Cotto-Mayweather then Hatton - Mayweather. Not that Hatton - Mayweather was a bad fight. But he has to fight Cotto imo it would be a fight unlike any he's ever had where he could completely silence every one of his critics. If he were to win it would be his best win imo. That's why so many want this fight because it would be another truly great fighter in his prime, can't get better then that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
    Before PBF fought and beat DLH his haters said if he beat oscar he'd porven himself.

    Then they said if he beat Hatton he'd have proven himself.

    Now its Cotto.

    If he beats Cotto they will say he hasnt proved himself til he wins a 160 title or something.
    I think most knew that once Judah fell to Cotto that that was the fight to be made and I would think the majority of fans would have rather seen Cotto-Mayweather then Hatton - Mayweather. Not that Hatton - Mayweather was a bad fight. But he has to fight Cotto imo it would be a fight unlike any he's ever had where he could completely silence every one of his critics. If he were to win it would be his best win imo. That's why so many want this fight because it would be another truly great fighter in his prime, can't get better then that.
    Until Mayweather wins and then The excuses are gonna come and then people are gonna talk about what Mayweather didn't do, then its gonna turn into he ducked and dodged margarito and then people are gonna find another opponent for him to fight.

    Oscar was supposed to silence the critics, Hatton was supposed to silence the critics. It didn't. People just want Mayweather to lose so they can reach their pleasuring point and scream "HAH SEE HE'S OVERRATED!!! A SO-AND-SO COMPARE YOURSELF TO ROBINSON HAH YOU GOT YOUR ASS BEAT!"

    Nobody will be happy with Mayweather till he loses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bx730NY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich R View Post
    I acctually think mayweather will fight him imo, all the hype is building and building and Cotto`s name is building aswell, but for all we know Cotto could get beat. I would put money on him fighting the winner eventually.
    What if he did fight beat Cotto though then what lol ?
    If he did beat Cotto then he can ride off into the sunset having answered the BIG question. Until then...........
    Tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered. Because all the "can he" "will he's" that people have used against him he has already proven he can and will. Its the fans that refuse to accept it.

    But feel free to tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered.
    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
    Before PBF fought and beat DLH his haters said if he beat oscar he'd porven himself.

    Then they said if he beat Hatton he'd have proven himself.

    Now its Cotto.

    If he beats Cotto they will say he hasnt proved himself til he wins a 160 title or something.
    Let's get one thing straight here. Only brits thought that Hatton could beat Floyd no one else.

    If Floyd don't want to face top opposition anymore that's fine with me (he will do Boxing a favor). Go and be a DIVA and he will fail.

    As far as him fighting Cotto if he doesn't then fuck it we just can't make him do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bx730NY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich R View Post
    I acctually think mayweather will fight him imo, all the hype is building and building and Cotto`s name is building aswell, but for all we know Cotto could get beat. I would put money on him fighting the winner eventually.
    What if he did fight beat Cotto though then what lol ?
    If he did beat Cotto then he can ride off into the sunset having answered the BIG question. Until then...........
    Tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered. Because all the "can he" "will he's" that people have used against him he has already proven he can and will. Its the fans that refuse to accept it.

    But feel free to tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered.
    Ok -

    Can he ever be as great as he thinks he is? Can he ever be as great as he says he is?It's one thing to go around proclaiming you're the best fighter of all time, but, unfortunately, that's a claim that requires proof. His resume is very solid, and I don't dispute the fact that he is one of the best boxers around today.

    But to mention yourself in the same breath as Robinson, you first need to fight all legitimate contenders. We all know Mayweather has played the matchmaking game very well. And before you accuse me of accusing Floyd of ducking so and so, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that to live up to the hype, he needs to fight Cotto. He needs to fight Margarito. He needs to fight the legitimate contenders at each of these weight classes he's bragging about winning titles in, instead of picking and choosing opposition. Fight all of them, at least the legitimate contenders.

    Would he win all these fights? Very possibly - it's certainly not an unbelievable proposition. But until he actually backs up his boasting, he's never going to be the greatest of all time, for me personally. He'll be just another outstanding boxer who will always have a lot of what ifs following him around.

    What if Floyd actually lived up to his potential, instead of running his mouth and fighting for money instead of legacy?

    Then he might be able to make a convincing case to being the best fighter ever. For now - not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcollins View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bx730NY View Post
    If he did beat Cotto then he can ride off into the sunset having answered the BIG question. Until then...........
    Tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered. Because all the "can he" "will he's" that people have used against him he has already proven he can and will. Its the fans that refuse to accept it.

    But feel free to tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered.
    Ok -

    Can he ever be as great as he thinks he is? Can he ever be as great as he says he is?It's one thing to go around proclaiming you're the best fighter of all time, but, unfortunately, that's a claim that requires proof. His resume is very solid, and I don't dispute the fact that he is one of the best boxers around today.

    But to mention yourself in the same breath as Robinson, you first need to fight all legitimate contenders. We all know Mayweather has played the matchmaking game very well. And before you accuse me of accusing Floyd of ducking so and so, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that to live up to the hype, he needs to fight Cotto. He needs to fight Margarito. He needs to fight the legitimate contenders at each of these weight classes he's bragging about winning titles in, instead of picking and choosing opposition. Fight all of them, at least the legitimate contenders.

    Would he win all these fights? Very possibly - it's certainly not an unbelievable proposition. But until he actually backs up his boasting, he's never going to be the greatest of all time, for me personally. He'll be just another outstanding boxer who will always have a lot of what ifs following him around.

    What if Floyd actually lived up to his potential, instead of running his mouth and fighting for money instead of legacy?

    Then he might be able to make a convincing case to being the best fighter ever. For now - not even close.
    Tell me what puts Cotto or Margarito on the level of "career defining fights" for Floyd? What has Cotto or Margarito done to achieve those kind of kudos to put that kind of stamp on somebodies legacy?

    People say one minute Cotto is just starting at 147 and deserves an easy fight or two, the next minute they say that Mayweather NEEDS to fight him. Why does Mayweather NEED to fight Cotto?

    Mayweather has already proven to be as great as he says he is, its fans who don't want to accept it.

    But what makes Cotto or Margarito so great that they can put a stamp like thaton somebodies career? What have they done thats put them on that kind of plateau. I'm willing to bet that they need Mayweather a lot more for their legacies then Mayweather needs them for his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Tell me what puts Cotto or Margarito on the level of "career defining fights" for Floyd? What has Cotto or Margarito done to achieve those kind of kudos to put that kind of stamp on somebodies legacy?
    I never said anything about Cotto or Margarito being "career defining fights" for Floyd - although they might turn out that way. Who's to say which fights will end up with that moniker until the final bell has sounded? What I said was that they are both legitimate contenders at 147.

    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    People say one minute Cotto is just starting at 147 and deserves an easy fight or two, the next minute they say that Mayweather NEEDS to fight him. Why does Mayweather NEED to fight Cotto?
    Because he is a legitimate contender at 147, and Floyd claims to be the greatest fighter ever. Prove it - it should be easy, right? Plus he'd make a ton of cash for what should be an easy night's work. It would be nice to see him fight a meaningful fight for a change...he can always fight for money in the next one

    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Mayweather has already proven to be as great as he says he is, its fans who don't want to accept it.
    That is a matter of opinion. Mayweather has proven that he is one of the best fighters of our generation, no question. I grant that he is extremely talented and unquestionably a phenomenal boxer.

    But Mayweather claims to be the greatest fighter of all time. That statement I wholeheartedly disagree with - and I do not feel that he has proven that in any way, shape, or form. To earn that title, to me, he would have had to fight a lot more fights at each of these weight classes in which he's won a title. Just because you win a title at a particular weight in no way means that you have answered enough legitimate challenges at that weight to be considered the best at that weight.

    Even if he did clean out 147, which I do feel he's capable of doing - maybe - that still isn't enough for the title of best ever. I'm sorry, but I doubt Floyd can ever possibly win that title in the eyes of the boxing community. There was just too much clever matchmaking for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majesty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bx730NY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rich R View Post
    I acctually think mayweather will fight him imo, all the hype is building and building and Cotto`s name is building aswell, but for all we know Cotto could get beat. I would put money on him fighting the winner eventually.
    What if he did fight beat Cotto though then what lol ?
    If he did beat Cotto then he can ride off into the sunset having answered the BIG question. Until then...........
    Tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered. Because all the "can he" "will he's" that people have used against him he has already proven he can and will. Its the fans that refuse to accept it.

    But feel free to tell me what question Mayweather hasn't already answered.
    I just don't understand SOME of floyds fans in here. Did you guys just fall in love with what he says or what?

    As a fan Cotto, I would be hurt, hold on let me correct myself, I would be crushed if he lost a fight. That being said, I don't want him to avoid fighting guys that can conceivably beat him. That's the mark or greatness right there: Taking On All The Top Challenges

    It seems that Cotto fans in here have a lot more confidence in their man than floyds fans do.

    Believe me, If floyd didn't realize that he's cheating the sport (especially his own fans) he and his team wouldn't keep explaining themselves about why they're not fighting the top guys of TODAY.
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