Mundine to do big things in the MW division.

[eagle]

If Sven Ottka can KO Mundine , it would be a video nasty if he fought Pavlik.

if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

[Dark Lord Al]

if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.

[boozeboxer]

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.

you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.

[eagle]

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.

you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.

Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.

[CFH]

Yes i respect your opinion dude , we will have to see if the fight ever happens.

you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.

Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.

I would pick both Abraham and Winky over Mundine. The problem, in my opinion, is that Mundine is a high risk/low reward fight. Not many people outside of Aus. know who he is, thus it would not generate much interest, but Mundine has a decent chance at beating all of those fighters. So they probably look at it and think it's just not worth it.
Now, you could say that Mundine's unwillingness to fight a better/more international level of competition is the reason he is not well known, but that's a matter of opinion.

[eagle]

you know the fights won't happen or this thread wouldn't even exist.

Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.

I would pick both Abraham and Winky over Mundine. The problem, in my opinion, is that Mundine is a high risk/low reward fight. Not many people outside of Aus. know who he is, thus it would not generate much interest, but Mundine has a decent chance at beating all of those fighters. So they probably look at it and think it's just not worth it.
Now, you could say that Mundine's unwillingness to fight a better/more international level of competition is the reason he is not well known, but that's a matter of opinion.

Anyone who would be willing to come to oz to fight would make good cash IMO. Mundine made 5 million and green 2.5 million in their fight. How many fights would Winky Wright have made 2.5 million in? Wright v Mundine would sell its ass off PPV in Australia mainly cos a lot of ppl here wanna see Mundine beaten.

Mundine has not taken the big step overseas, probably for the same reason a lot of non american fighters stay at home, he can make heaps of cash fighting medium level opponents at home. Joe Calzaghe did it, Sturm and Abraham are doing it, Sven Ottke made a career of it.

Atleast now Mundine is talking about going overseas and if he does i think he will be more impressive than a lot of guys think. It is an IF at the moment tho and the ball is in his court.

[CFH]

Mundine called out Sturm, Abraham and Winky but none of them wanted it.

I would pick both Abraham and Winky over Mundine. The problem, in my opinion, is that Mundine is a high risk/low reward fight. Not many people outside of Aus. know who he is, thus it would not generate much interest, but Mundine has a decent chance at beating all of those fighters. So they probably look at it and think it's just not worth it.
Now, you could say that Mundine's unwillingness to fight a better/more international level of competition is the reason he is not well known, but that's a matter of opinion.

Anyone who would be willing to come to oz to fight would make good cash IMO. Mundine made 5 million and green 2.5 million in their fight. How many fights would Winky Wright have made 2.5 million in? Wright v Mundine would sell its ass off PPV in Australia mainly cos a lot of ppl here wanna see Mundine beaten.

Mundine has not taken the big step overseas, probably for the same reason a lot of non american fighters stay at home, he can make heaps of cash fighting medium level opponents at home. Joe Calzaghe did it, Sturm and Abraham are doing it, Sven Ottke made a career of it.

Atleast now Mundine is talking about going overseas and if he does i think he will be more impressive than a lot of guys think. It is an IF at the moment tho and the ball is in his court.

I don't disagree, I just think it's a risk/reward thing. A lot of fighters would be wary of fighting in Mundine's backyard in a fight that would already be relatively low-profile (internationally) and high-risk.

[Mikkel_K]

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

I am not quite as high on Mundine as you, but I do agree with your basic sentiment. He would be a handful for anyone at 160, including Pavlik [1]. Even Kessler did not beat him easily. How anyone could not think he would (could) be top 5 is beyond me.

I do object to your point that he has fought better opponents than Abraham and Sturm though. Kessler, and possibly Soliman, Green and Ottke aside, he don't have the same resume as those guys. And Mundine is 2-2 vs. the mentioned opponents [2]. Abraham and Sturm have fought at least as (many) good fighters as that.

[1] Yes, I'd pick Pavlik to win obivously, but Mundine would be just about the biggest challenge out there for Pavlik at 160.
[2] I refuse to give extra credit for beating Soliman 3 times.

[Mikkel_K]

One more thing: How about Daniel Geale for an MW opponent? Looks like an obvious match-up for me. I've never seen Geale, but he is undefeated, holds the IBO belt and is Australian.

Is he any good? And what is the aussie perception of him?

[Salty]

One more thing: How about Daniel Geale for an MW opponent? Looks like an obvious match-up for me. I've never seen Geale, but he is undefeated, holds the IBO belt and is Australian.

Is he any good? And what is the aussie perception of him?

You don't hear anything about him seeing as he doesn't go around doing the "I'm the Greatest" act and blasting our country with racist shit. But i'm hoping better than mundine.

[Snakey]

Danny Green over the hill? HAHAHAHA Says all the guys that were backing green and lost. He wasnt over the hill when everyone was saying green would knock him out and that danny would walk through him. He wasnt, he just got beat and out boxed like he would of when ever they met no matter what weight division or what yr. Soliman pushed Wright to the limit and mundine has beat him 3 times alot easier then what wright did it. The third time didnt need to happen in my opinion but Kessler wouldnt give mundine a rematch when he had a chance so why would mundine when the shoe is on the other foot. Payback is a bitch. The third soliman fight shouldnt of happened, stupid IMO BUT who else was there? Anyone callin him out? Mundine has been mouthin off at alot of people and no one from over seas has stepped up to shut it. Mundines doing what he can to get opponents but it doesnt help when they arent willing. Mundine will do damage if he gets some big fights in 160! Here me say that now! Coz i will admit if im wrong, i couldnt give a shit. If he doesnt then pfft means shit all to me. I know Pavlik has wicked power and hes a very good fighter but think of this, mundine has been fighting bigger guys at a higher weight class. So hes felt power before and kessler hits hard and so does green. And we all know mundine didnt go a whole fight without taking shots from either of these guys. So i dont think kelly would knock him out at all, if anything hed win a UD but not a knock out.

[Salty]

Danny Green over the hill? HAHAHAHA Says all the guys that were backing green and lost. He wasnt over the hill when everyone was saying green would knock him out and that danny would walk through him. He wasnt, he just got beat and out boxed like he would of when ever they met no matter what weight division or what yr. Soliman pushed Wright to the limit and mundine has beat him 3 times alot easier then what wright did it. The third time didnt need to happen in my opinion but Kessler wouldnt give mundine a rematch when he had a chance so why would mundine when the shoe is on the other foot. Payback is a bitch. The third soliman fight shouldnt of happened, stupid IMO BUT who else was there? Anyone callin him out? Mundine has been mouthin off at alot of people and no one from over seas has stepped up to shut it. Mundines doing what he can to get opponents but it doesnt help when they arent willing. Mundine will do damage if he gets some big fights in 160! Here me say that now! Coz i will admit if im wrong, i couldnt give a shit. If he doesnt then pfft means shit all to me. I know Pavlik has wicked power and hes a very good fighter but think of this, mundine has been fighting bigger guys at a higher weight class. So hes felt power before and kessler hits hard and so does green. And we all know mundine didnt go a whole fight without taking shots from either of these guys. So i dont think kelly would knock him out at all, if anything hed win a UD but not a knock out.

I admire your blind faith, but plainly your wrong and until Mundine proves you right you will remain wrong in 95% of boxing fans eyes. Simply because of all the excellent posts before yours. Green was in hospital for days due to dehydration, you think that would not effect someone physically?

[Snakey]

Danny Green over the hill? HAHAHAHA Says all the guys that were backing green and lost. He wasnt over the hill when everyone was saying green would knock him out and that danny would walk through him. He wasnt, he just got beat and out boxed like he would of when ever they met no matter what weight division or what yr. Soliman pushed Wright to the limit and mundine has beat him 3 times alot easier then what wright did it. The third time didnt need to happen in my opinion but Kessler wouldnt give mundine a rematch when he had a chance so why would mundine when the shoe is on the other foot. Payback is a bitch. The third soliman fight shouldnt of happened, stupid IMO BUT who else was there? Anyone callin him out? Mundine has been mouthin off at alot of people and no one from over seas has stepped up to shut it. Mundines doing what he can to get opponents but it doesnt help when they arent willing. Mundine will do damage if he gets some big fights in 160! Here me say that now! Coz i will admit if im wrong, i couldnt give a shit. If he doesnt then pfft means shit all to me. I know Pavlik has wicked power and hes a very good fighter but think of this, mundine has been fighting bigger guys at a higher weight class. So hes felt power before and kessler hits hard and so does green. And we all know mundine didnt go a whole fight without taking shots from either of these guys. So i dont think kelly would knock him out at all, if anything hed win a UD but not a knock out.

I admire your blind faith, but plainly your wrong and until Mundine proves you right you will remain wrong in 95% of boxing fans eyes. Simply because of all the excellent posts before yours. Green was in hospital for days due to dehydration, you think that would not effect someone physically?

Hey man what does that have to do with danny being shot? Thats poor fuckin nutrition. I dont think danny was in hospital prior to the fight unless your talking about after the sean sullivan fight and that was yrs before the mundine fight so you cant blame that. Mate i dont like his antics but the guy can fight and he would of flogged danny green on any given day in any given yr. Dannys style was always going to be trouble for him against mundine. Fuck marcus beyer outboxed him and mundines a much better boxer then beyer. Mundine will shake the division up if he gets the big fights, if he doesnt then he goes no where. My point is that everyone here lets their hatred for mundine out of the ring cloud their judgement. Mundine can box very well and theres probably not anyone at 160 who can match his hand speed. He will be trouble for anyone, if he doesnt beat them then he will do some damage.

[Andre]

if that knockout had any relevance anymore then Mundine wouldnt be a current champ would he?

My point was that Mundine hasent fought anyone who can hit like Pavlik and he has shown a weakness in the past to a light punchers , so my opinion is Pavlik would brutally KO him .
I think if they did fight after 2 or 3 rounds Mundine would have a swift and sudden fall from grace , and sunny days would feel far away .

My point is he has fought guys with big punches, Kessler, Green, Echols, sure they may not punch as hard as Kelly but they all punch hard enough to KO anyone if they get it right. He has fought better opponents in his career than the likes of Abraham, Froch and Sturm yet they dont get half the criticism he does.
I still say Mundine is a cock, he is full of shit, he thinks he is better then what he is proven, but i dont for one minute let that cloud my judgement on his ability. If he fights the top guys at 160 he'll beat em all except maybe Pavlik and he'll go 12 with Kelly.

If im proven wring ill admit it.

I dont like Mundines ego,but he surprised me by gettting past Antwon Eccles as easily as he did,I would have lost money there. Styles make fights they say and he has got a different, natural style.
Just cause he got sparked off a temple shot while fuklking around side on does'nt mean a great deal. Was funny at the time though,. Only thing that could of bettered it was if they couldn't get Okktes glove out of his mouth.