Boxing Against a Random Thrower (More Detailed Question Inside)

[donnydarkoIRL]

No fragging kidding,I tried it for a little bit,and my left shin is best described as a collection of scar tissue.At least it was long enough ago,theyre starting to fade,and I can grow hair on it again

Yeah it's pretty brutal.

I find when I spar Thai boxers, they're devoid of any tact or strategy also.
They're just programmed to destroy, or get destroyed themselves

[jahmez]

I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

[WayneFlint]

I did muay thai for 4 years after doing TKD and i can say that the kicks are good just for the damage they can cause and distance they can keep you at, ive won many street fights when i was at school with just a foot jab and a roundhouse to the ribs, now im older i think i would also opt to remain on 2 feet in a fight but my earlier years were all about kicks, the elbows are good but like people have mentioned you gotta be up close so that means save them for after a clinch but to be honest after youve done with someone in a clinch there is no need for an elbow on the way out, you will build up the density of the bones in your shins if you start out hitting something hard but soft, basically something that is hard but will still conform to the shape of your shin rather than vice versa lol, like a heavy bag is perfect to start hardening your shins, and no matter what anyone says you will always feel pain in your shins there is no such thing as conditioning that will stop youfrom feeling pain, there is just the mindset that both fighters are in which is even if they are going to have the best fight of their life and destroy their opponent its gonna hurt a hell of a lot to do it and youve just gotta accept it, thats the reason i liked thaiboxing despite lack of tactics, its the self disciplin involved in fighting full muay thai

[donnydarkoIRL]

I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

Jst revisiting this thread for the first time in a long while...
Since I've done a lot of BJJ and if I were to select one discipline to protect myself with BJJ would be it. Boxing is lethal, but if I were jumped it'd be BJJ I'd use to get out of the situation. Using boxing would just get you in trouble!

[jahmez]

Boxing gets me out of trouble. I don't dance around and throw jabs though

[svenjamin]

I'm a Muay Thai practitioner interested who has started lurking in these forums precisely because I have found that western Boxing has much more to offer in the way of articulated tactics and strategy than western Muay Thai. Personally, my hands are pretty crappy, I rely on me legs and clinchwork.

If I were to pick an art for self-defense though, it would be Judo for the ability to put assailants on the ground quickly while remaining upright. A hard throw onto an everday surface will probably be enough to take the aggression out of many unarmed attackers.

BJJ is good to know supposing you do end up on the ground, but in a self-defense situation that is probably not where one wants to be.

Boxing is probably great for SD in terms of evading wild blows, and the ability to land body shots, but throwing bare fists to someone elses face is a good way to injure your hands.

[WayneFlint]

true but if you train properly you can strengthen the tendons ligaments and muscles of the hand, the rest comes back to disciplin why throw a sledge hammer at it when a hammer will do the trick, a fast jab is enough to take most people out when there are no gloves involved i wouldnt bother with a right hand.

[WayneFlint]

I've never understood why muay thai, kickboxing and bjj are considered more "street" than boxing. I get into alot of "street" fights and the last thing I'd want to do is be on one leg even for a split second. What use is floorwork when your fighting more than one person? Why would you want to get close enough to use an elbow when people who start fights are almost always heavier and stronger than you?

Jst revisiting this thread for the first time in a long while...
Since I've done a lot of BJJ and if I were to select one discipline to protect myself with BJJ would be it. Boxing is lethal, but if I were jumped it'd be BJJ I'd use to get out of the situation. Using boxing would just get you in trouble!

I can agree, i work doors on a weekend and most of the fights i see are more than one person vs one, its rare that 2 people have an altercation and no one else jumps in, i think the alcohol makes everybody a bit more emotional so even lads that wouldnt normaly fight end up fighting to help their friends and in such situations taking things to the ground would probably be to your demise, getting close to a strong person doesnt bother me really because the thai clinch is designed to control the head and ive yet to meet any strong guy who is still strong when youre controling his balance, often if i have the opertunity to grab someone from behind i will lift their chin with my right hand pull their head back onto my right shoulder and tie up their left arm with my left arm, once youve got them on your right shoulder you can walk them out of the bar backwards, the reall drunk ones dont even need to tie up their left hand u can tuck your shirt in on the way out instead, but anyway my theory is practice every area because every fight is a different situation and you never know what situation you will find your having to defend yourself, over christmas i had an idiot rugby player on my street getting out of his car and calling me out over my driving and the floor was covered in ice in such a case bjj would be the winner, dirty fighters,ive had lads come into a place im working and hit a lad im working with over the head with a policemans cosh, after that i found myself figuring out a few things with a bar stool lol.

[Aussie_Egg]

I have just returned from 3 months in asia and while i was in thailand i attended a few muay thai fight nights, i have seen quiet a few muay thai fights here in aus too as my inlaws brother is a very talented muay thai fighter.
But watching the thai's go about there business in the ring is an awesome sight to see, they are so confident, relaxed and down right brutal once in the ring they are on a total differant level to 95% of western muay thai fighters.

So i wouldnt judge the advantages/disadvantages of muay thai by watching western fights.

[jahmez]

The ol' 1-2 always works for me in street fights. Devastating against "tough" guys throwing slow motion wild right slaps.

[WayneFlint]

definently straight punches are the only way to hit in a street fight.

[WayneFlint]

I have just returned from 3 months in asia and while i was in thailand i attended a few muay thai fight nights, i have seen quiet a few muay thai fights here in aus too as my inlaws brother is a very talented muay thai fighter.
But watching the thai's go about there business in the ring is an awesome sight to see, they are so confident, relaxed and down right brutal once in the ring they are on a total differant level to 95% of western muay thai fighters.

So i wouldnt judge the advantages/disadvantages of muay thai by watching western fights.

I can remember seeing a video a few years back of 2 young thai lads looked only about 8 or so having a gym war, with an obveouse dislike for eachother as they didnt think twice about sticking a head but in here or there, youve gotta admire the mind set and disciplin.