To Me IF Floyd is Retired Joe Calzaghe is PFP#1

[JT Rock]

JT I really don't wanna get into a massive debate but although you won't like me saying this (Especially regarding Jeff Lacy) he shouldn't be p4p number 1. He fought a past his prime Chris Eubank with Eubank taking 2 weeks notice, he was lucky to get the verdict against Reid. Fought a host of bums i.e. Manfredo (Sorry POB), Salem, Sheika etc (Hence why he has an undefeated record). An overhyped one-dimensional Jeff Lacy who really isn't what the Media suggested. And controversially beating a 43 yr old grandad in Bernard Hopkins on a SD while getting floored in the process. The only worthy name I give him is Kessler (Who he beat in his own backyard). Pacquiao has beaten 3 greats in Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Those 3 names are much bigger than anything on Calzaghe's record. If Pacquiao beats Diaz WITHOUT DOUBT he is bigger that JC but ATM he is still higher than JC IMO.

PS: I ain't a Calzaghe hater BTW but no way should he be number 1.

Pac beat Barrera when he had an abbreviated camp and the 2nd fight Marco was shell of himself and a faded Morales 2x.. He was consistently getting beat to the punch by JMM in there 1st fight after the Knockdowns and in there 2nd fight he got a decision that was more questionable than the Hopkins/ Calzaghe fight.

So as much as I liked Lennox but similiar to Pac, his wins against Holyfield and Tyson mean little to me because both guys were both shot to pieces... Just great names

[CFH]

JT I really don't wanna get into a massive debate but although you won't like me saying this (Especially regarding Jeff Lacy) he shouldn't be p4p number 1. He fought a past his prime Chris Eubank with Eubank taking 2 weeks notice, he was lucky to get the verdict against Reid. Fought a host of bums i.e. Manfredo (Sorry POB), Salem, Sheika etc (Hence why he has an undefeated record). An overhyped one-dimensional Jeff Lacy who really isn't what the Media suggested. And controversially beating a 43 yr old grandad in Bernard Hopkins on a SD while getting floored in the process. The only worthy name I give him is Kessler (Who he beat in his own backyard). Pacquiao has beaten 3 greats in Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Those 3 names are much bigger than anything on Calzaghe's record. If Pacquiao beats Diaz WITHOUT DOUBT he is bigger that JC but ATM he is still higher than JC IMO.

PS: I ain't a Calzaghe hater BTW but no way should he be number 1.

Pac beat Barrera when he had an abbreviated camp and the 2nd fight Marco was shell of himself and a faded Morales 2x.. He was consistently getting beat to the punch by JMM in there 1st fight after the Knockdowns and in there 2nd fight he got a decision that was more questionable than the Hopkins/ Calzaghe fight.

So as much as I liked Lennox but similiar to Pac, his wins against Holyfield and Tyson mean little to me because both guys were both shot to pieces... Just great names

I see where you're coming from, but it's as easy to criticize Calzaghe's level of comp. Eubank was old, Lacy was Lacy, and Hopkins was very old and a case could be made that Calzaghe lost the B-Hop fight. Kessler was a very good win, but I still think JC's record pales in comparison to Pac's, and I JC a lot more than I like Pac.

[leftylee]

JT I really don't wanna get into a massive debate but although you won't like me saying this (Especially regarding Jeff Lacy) he shouldn't be p4p number 1. He fought a past his prime Chris Eubank with Eubank taking 2 weeks notice, he was lucky to get the verdict against Reid. Fought a host of bums i.e. Manfredo (Sorry POB), Salem, Sheika etc (Hence why he has an undefeated record). An overhyped one-dimensional Jeff Lacy who really isn't what the Media suggested. And controversially beating a 43 yr old grandad in Bernard Hopkins on a SD while getting floored in the process. The only worthy name I give him is Kessler (Who he beat in his own backyard). Pacquiao has beaten 3 greats in Morales, Barrera and Marquez. Those 3 names are much bigger than anything on Calzaghe's record. If Pacquiao beats Diaz WITHOUT DOUBT he is bigger that JC but ATM he is still higher than JC IMO.

PS: I ain't a Calzaghe hater BTW but no way should he be number 1.

Pac beat Barrera when he had an abbreviated camp and the 2nd fight Marco was shell of himself and a faded Morales 2x.. He was consistently getting beat to the punch by JMM in there 1st fight after the Knockdowns and in there 2nd fight he got a decision that was more questionable than the Hopkins/ Calzaghe fight.

So as much as I liked Lennox but similiar to Pac, his wins against Holyfield and Tyson mean little to me because both guys were both shot to pieces... Just great names

I see where you're coming from, but it's as easy to criticize Calzaghe's level of comp. Eubank was old, Lacy was Lacy, and Hopkins was very old and a case could be made that Calzaghe lost the B-Hop fight. Kessler was a very good win, but I still think JC's record pales in comparison to Pac's, and I JC a lot more than I like Pac.

[JT Rock]

Pac beat Barrera when he had an abbreviated camp and the 2nd fight Marco was shell of himself and a faded Morales 2x.. He was consistently getting beat to the punch by JMM in there 1st fight after the Knockdowns and in there 2nd fight he got a decision that was more questionable than the Hopkins/ Calzaghe fight.

So as much as I liked Lennox but similiar to Pac, his wins against Holyfield and Tyson mean little to me because both guys were both shot to pieces... Just great names

I see where you're coming from, but it's as easy to criticize Calzaghe's level of comp. Eubank was old, Lacy was Lacy, and Hopkins was very old and a case could be made that Calzaghe lost the B-Hop fight. Kessler was a very good win, but I still think JC's record pales in comparison to Pac's, and I JC a lot more than I like Pac.

Dont get me started on Hattons resume now

[leftylee]

I see where you're coming from, but it's as easy to criticize Calzaghe's level of comp. Eubank was old, Lacy was Lacy, and Hopkins was very old and a case could be made that Calzaghe lost the B-Hop fight. Kessler was a very good win, but I still think JC's record pales in comparison to Pac's, and I JC a lot more than I like Pac.

Dont Tget me started on Hattons resume now

I think I hurt JT's feelings

[JT Rock]

Dont Tget me started on Hattons resume now

I think I hurt JT's feelings

No way Jose...I always have these immortal images to cheer me up



Yep much better now

[CFH]

I see where you're coming from, but it's as easy to criticize Calzaghe's level of comp. Eubank was old, Lacy was Lacy, and Hopkins was very old and a case could be made that Calzaghe lost the B-Hop fight. Kessler was a very good win, but I still think JC's record pales in comparison to Pac's, and I JC a lot more than I like Pac.

Dont get me started on Hattons resume now

I think Calzaghe's and Hatton's records are comparable. Calzaghe's is obviously better because he's a champ, and an undisputed one at that, for longer, but some parallels could be drawn.

[SE7EN]

I love this thread.

It's like 2 hyenas battling on Floyd's carcasses.

I wouldn't even get too excited about it. Cuz I have the feeling that this Floyd's retirement thing is just his way of promoting his next fight. He's the drama king.

[El Gamo]

I love this thread.

It's like 2 hyenas battling on Floyd's carcasses.

I wouldn't even get too excited about it. Cuz I have the feeling that this Floyd's retirement thing is just his way of promoting his next fight. He's the drama king.

Exactly. Smart posting.

[ICB]

It all depends on what you look for when rating fighters, Pacquiao clearly has beaten the better fighters and has moved up and won titles at multiple weight classes. But Calzaghe has dominated a lot longer than Pacquiao but at a weaker weight class, i feel Pacquiao doesn't get enough credit for some of his wins against Barrera, Morales, and ditto for Calzaghe as well.

A lot of things come into play when rating a certain fighter above another, do you feel Calzaghe would beat Pacquiao P4P, do you like longevity better than better quality wins ?? is Calzaghe dominating 1 weight class better than Pacquiao skipping through the divisions winning titles at multiple weight classes ?? its all debatable and it depends on what the boxing fan looks for.