? D`La Hoya vs Cotto ?...........

[Poom]

I think if De la Hoya does ask Cotto for a fight it just proves the theory that he's only in boxing for the money.

I know Oscar was a good fighter, but let it go down in his hall of fmae record, Oscar was and is a greedy money hungry bully.

Doesn't it prove the opposite ? That he still wants to fight the best and wants a shot at great(er)ness ?

Don't really understand why that woudl make him money hungry.. if he wants money he can fight a no name and pull in millions anyway

[donnydarkoIRL]

I think if De la Hoya does ask Cotto for a fight it just proves the theory that he's only in boxing for the money.

I know Oscar was a good fighter, but let it go down in his hall of fmae record, Oscar was and is a greedy money hungry bully.

Doesn't it prove the opposite ? That he still wants to fight the best and wants a shot at great(er)ness ?

Don't really understand why that woudl make him money hungry.. if he wants money he can fight a no name and pull in millions anyway

Oscar is a Light Middlewight.
JHe has to get down to that weight.

He hasn't fought a light middleweight or a man equal his size since Hopkins. Each fight since he's made the opponent come up to facilitate himself.

[ICB]

I think if De la Hoya does ask Cotto for a fight it just proves the theory that he's only in boxing for the money.

I know Oscar was a good fighter, but let it go down in his hall of fmae record, Oscar was and is a greedy money hungry bully.

Doesn't it prove the opposite ? That he still wants to fight the best and wants a shot at great(er)ness ?

Don't really understand why that woudl make him money hungry.. if he wants money he can fight a no name and pull in millions anyway

Oscar is a Light Middlewight.
JHe has to get down to that weight.

He hasn't fought a light middleweight or a man equal his size since Hopkins. Each fight since he's made the opponent come up to facilitate himself.

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

[donnydarkoIRL]

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

[ICB]

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

[Fenster]

Barring moving back up to middleweight, to fight Pavlik (ridiculous), challenging a young prime Cotto is about as DANGEROUS a fight as Oscar could take.

It would be a tremendous show of his LOVE for boxing (he certainly doesn't need to fight) to undertake that type of challenge.

Forget the MONEY angle, every fight Oscar has MEGA-money is attached, naturally the bigger the star in the opposite corner the more money involved.

[Put Em' Up]

This comment and your last comment makes no sense to me at all, first off how the hell was ODLH equal in size to Hopkins ?? ODLH was way out of his comfortable weight at Middleweight and Hopkins is naturally much bigger man than ODLH. Secondly how does ODLH wanting to fight Cotto prove ODLH is a money hungry bully ?? majority of people think Cotto would beat ODLH making ODLH the underdog. So doesn't that take bottle from ODLH wanting to take on a dangerous opponent like Cotto at this stage in his career ?? Thirdly what fighter would you want ODLH to fight at Light Middleweight that appeals to you, more than a Cotto vs ODLH fight ??

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

In all fairness to the moving up from Super Featherweight Oscar was 19 at that time. He was not yet fully grown. Yes he fought in a grown mans sport but the body does not stop maturing until about 24 or 25 years old before it sets in at its full size potential. He was also an inch shorter then.

This si why we rarely see fighters stay in the weight class they started in.

Pacquiao started at 110lbs. Less I think but he was also 17 at that time. Now he is 20+lbs heavier. Having fully matured

Since he has filled out girth wise and grown so you can not really count the Super Featherweight time as moving up. Now if he moved up at 27 or so that would be mighty impressive. In truth you would only count his time moving up from about 140lbs.

[ICB]

Once again you come up with something I never said.

I never claimed or stated that De la Hoya is equal in size to Bernard Hopkins. I may have alluded that Oscar is of a more similar build to a middleweight than the Welters and Light Welters he is calling out, but I never claimed he was equal in size to Bernard Hopkins.

Oscar claimed last year he was the Junior Middleweight Champion of the world. A title that he won having dropped back down from Middleweight. Do you find it strange that Oscar has not faced an opponent that was previously active at 154 since 2003 when he faced Shane Mosely?
Why not fight a Light Middleweight rather than pick on smaller me.
For me a bully is someone who utilises their natural physical advantage to pick on opponents of a lesser physical size and obtaining an advantage befor training ever begins. Is this not what Oscar is doing?

Any fight at 154 appeals to me more than Cotto/DLH. The Cotto DLH fight has no relevance. If DLH wins is he Welter Champion, despite having not competed against anyone in that weight class this decade? (?)
The only relevance this has is to Oscars pockets.

Well you did say "Equal his size" i don't really know how i could have took that any other way. ODLH has moved up all the way up from Super Featherweight fighting bigger men than himself, so i think its wrong to call him a bully. I don't think its wrong he hasn't fought a Light Middleweight since 2003, for number of reasons, 1 he has been semi retired. 2 he was fighting Middleweight's so i think we can let him off there can't we ?? 3 there hasn't been a really appealing name at Jr Middleweight.

Like i said to you before who do you expect ODLH to fight at Jr Middleweight ?? of course ODLH is fighting for money but so do all boxers, but there isn't a single fight at Jr Middleweight that appeals to me at all. ODLH has probably only 2 fights left in him so he wants to go out on a high, so he is looking for the biggest names. Which Jr Middleweight division just doesn't have, i can't believe that your having a go at ODLH for wanting to fight the most appealing names.

In all fairness to the moving up from Super Featherweight Oscar was 19 at that time. He was not yet fully grown. Yes he fought in a grown mans sport but the body does not stop maturing until about 24 or 25 years old before it sets in at its full size potential. He was also an inch shorter then.

This si why we rarely see fighters stay in the weight class they started in.

Pacquiao started at 110lbs. Less I think but he was also 17 at that time. Now he is 20+lbs heavier. Having fully matured

Since he has filled out girth wise and grown so you can not really count the Super Featherweight time as moving up. Now if he moved up at 27 or so that would be mighty impressive. In truth you would only count his time moving up from about 140lbs.

Your missing the point thats not what i was implying, i was trying to explain how ODLH has moved through the weight classes fighting bigger men than himself, so i just think its wrong to call him a bully.

Also good post Fenster some rep coming your way.

[Macho]

I think if De la Hoya does ask Cotto for a fight it just proves the theory that he's only in boxing for the money.

I know Oscar was a good fighter, but let it go down in his hall of fmae record, Oscar was and is a greedy money hungry bully.

Doesn't it prove the opposite ? That he still wants to fight the best and wants a shot at great(er)ness ?

Don't really understand why that woudl make him money hungry.. if he wants money he can fight a no name and pull in millions anyway

I agree Poom , but not like he would like to.................

[Bomp]

If ODH fights Cotto at 147 I'll have much respect for him, such a fight would legitimise the winner's right to fight Floyd, who may be back if the price is right and the chorus loud enough. Beating ODH will give Cotto the mainstream exposure that Floyd simply could not ignore, I'm thinking this is what Floyd has in mind all along.