The All time Heavyweight thread ( a different perspective)

[El Kabong]

George Foreman would win the whole thing...he had the chin, the power, and the style to deal with the majority of the fighters mentioned.


Sure George would have it tough vs the pure boxers but vs Bowe and Tyson he'd blow them out of the water. Bowe was a good boxer but left himself open to being hit OFTEN and twice in a row is all George would need.... Tyson would be scared shitless of Foreman and the style matchup really favors Foreman considering how easily he handled Frazier and say what you will about Tyson and his head movement but the majority of fighters he fought in his prime either didn't throw with the intent to hurt Tyson OR threw scared.....Foreman would have gone for blood the second the bell rang.


Rocky is hard to throw into this sort of tourney as he was not a true heavyweight...I think his accomplishments were great and he's a great fighter but vs guys who are 6'4 and taller and as heavy as 250 it's like Wlad Klitschko fighting Edison Miranda. Rocky was a great fighter, and I'd like his chances vs Tyson (more from a mental standpoint than a physical standpoint) but no one will listen to that arguement and it's for another thread anyway

[donnydarkoIRL]

George Foreman would win the whole thing...he had the chin, the power, and the style to deal with the majority of the fighters mentioned.


Sure George would have it tough vs the pure boxers but vs Bowe and Tyson he'd blow them out of the water. Bowe was a good boxer but left himself open to being hit OFTEN and twice in a row is all George would need.... Tyson would be scared shitless of Foreman and the style matchup really favors Foreman considering how easily he handled Frazier and say what you will about Tyson and his head movement but the majority of fighters he fought in his prime either didn't throw with the intent to hurt Tyson OR threw scared.....Foreman would have gone for blood the second the bell rang.


Rocky is hard to throw into this sort of tourney as he was not a true heavyweight...I think his accomplishments were great and he's a great fighter but vs guys who are 6'4 and taller and as heavy as 250 it's like Wlad Klitschko fighting Edison Miranda. Rocky was a great fighter, and I'd like his chances vs Tyson (more from a mental standpoint than a physical standpoint) but no one will listen to that arguement and it's for another thread anyway

Just a demonstration of the objectivity of it all, but I reckon on their nights Johnson, Ali, Shavers and Lewis could beat George.

However on any given night George could beat Johnso, Shavers and Lewis,

[BIG H]

George Foreman would win the whole thing...he had the chin, the power, and the style to deal with the majority of the fighters mentioned.


Sure George would have it tough vs the pure boxers but vs Bowe and Tyson he'd blow them out of the water. Bowe was a good boxer but left himself open to being hit OFTEN and twice in a row is all George would need.... Tyson would be scared shitless of Foreman and the style matchup really favors Foreman considering how easily he handled Frazier and say what you will about Tyson and his head movement but the majority of fighters he fought in his prime either didn't throw with the intent to hurt Tyson OR threw scared.....Foreman would have gone for blood the second the bell rang.


Rocky is hard to throw into this sort of tourney as he was not a true heavyweight...I think his accomplishments were great and he's a great fighter but vs guys who are 6'4 and taller and as heavy as 250 it's like Wlad Klitschko fighting Edison Miranda. Rocky was a great fighter, and I'd like his chances vs Tyson (more from a mental standpoint than a physical standpoint) but no one will listen to that arguement and it's for another thread anyway

But Foreman lost to Ali, when he was arguable prime and Ali was arguably past his, so wouldn't that discount him from number 1 slot

[El Kabong]

Hey Ali won vs Foreman but look at the list....would Ali have made it past Lewis, Holmes, Bowe, or even Tyson


I see Ali having HUGE trouble with Lewis and Bowe because of their size and athletic ability....same with Holmes.

Tyson was a Liston-Patterson hybrid and Ali had an easy time with both those guys.

I am more interested in how Ali-Holyfield would look...Evander had the determination of a Joe Frazier and dealt with being hit a lot better.


Foreman could KO everyone else...and on a good night he could hurt and even stop Ali IMO....history doesn't have it that way but the way George hit he could KO a brick wall on the right day

[Trainer Monkey]

Hey Ali won vs Foreman but look at the list....would Ali have made it past Lewis, Holmes, Bowe, or even Tyson


I see Ali having HUGE trouble with Lewis and Bowe because of their size and athletic ability....same with Holmes.

Tyson was a Liston-Patterson hybrid and Ali had an easy time with both those guys.

I am more interested in how Ali-Holyfield would look...Evander had the determination of a Joe Frazier and dealt with being hit a lot better.


Foreman could KO everyone else...and on a good night he could hurt and even stop Ali IMO....history doesn't have it that way but the way George hit he could KO a brick wall on the right day

He gave Holmes his first black eye
Ali wasnt small and was way more athletic then either Lewis and Bowe

[El Kabong]

Ali was small in comparison to Lewis and Bowe...yeah he was 6'3-6'4 but 220-225 ain't exactly huge.

[ICB]

Hey Ali won vs Foreman but look at the list....would Ali have made it past Lewis, Holmes, Bowe, or even Tyson


I see Ali having HUGE trouble with Lewis and Bowe because of their size and athletic ability....same with Holmes.

Tyson was a Liston-Patterson hybrid and Ali had an easy time with both those guys.

I am more interested in how Ali-Holyfield would look...Evander had the determination of a Joe Frazier and dealt with being hit a lot better.


Foreman could KO everyone else...and on a good night he could hurt and even stop Ali IMO....history doesn't have it that way but the way George hit he could KO a brick wall on the right day

He gave Holmes his first black eye
Ali wasnt small and was way more athletic then either Lewis and Bowe

Why do you keep bringing this up like it holds some kind of merit ?? tell the whole truth Holmes was a mere novice when Ali gave Holmes a black eye, this was in 1972 right ?? and Holmes was still trying out for the Olmypic trials. Where as Ali was a complete pro at the time, why don't you also mention that Holmes got the better of Ali in sparring in 1974 while preparing for Rumble In The Jungle ??

[Trainer Monkey]

Hey Ali won vs Foreman but look at the list....would Ali have made it past Lewis, Holmes, Bowe, or even Tyson


I see Ali having HUGE trouble with Lewis and Bowe because of their size and athletic ability....same with Holmes.

Tyson was a Liston-Patterson hybrid and Ali had an easy time with both those guys.

I am more interested in how Ali-Holyfield would look...Evander had the determination of a Joe Frazier and dealt with being hit a lot better.


Foreman could KO everyone else...and on a good night he could hurt and even stop Ali IMO....history doesn't have it that way but the way George hit he could KO a brick wall on the right day

He gave Holmes his first black eye
Ali wasnt small and was way more athletic then either Lewis and Bowe

Why do you keep bringing this up like it holds some kind of merit ?? tell the whole truth Holmes was a mere novice when Ali gave Holmes a black eye, this was in 1972 right ?? and Holmes was still trying out for the Olmypic trials. Where as Ali was a complete pro at the time, why don't you also mention that Holmes got the better of Ali in sparring in 1974 while preparing for Rumble In The Jungle ??

Ali schooled Holmes for 3 years as a sparring partner

[ICB]

He gave Holmes his first black eye
Ali wasnt small and was way more athletic then either Lewis and Bowe

Why do you keep bringing this up like it holds some kind of merit ?? tell the whole truth Holmes was a mere novice when Ali gave Holmes a black eye, this was in 1972 right ?? and Holmes was still trying out for the Olmypic trials. Where as Ali was a complete pro at the time, why don't you also mention that Holmes got the better of Ali in sparring in 1974 while preparing for Rumble In The Jungle ??

Ali schooled Holmes for 3 years as a sparring partner

Not 3 years but who cares ?? Holmes was a novice and Ali was a complete pro so what does that prove ?? you of all people should no sparring holds no water, every boxer has been whooped in sparring at one point even the great Sugar Ray Robinson did. I suppose Greg Page would beat Mike Tyson then going by the logic that Page whooped Tyson in sparring ?? i could be an ass and just say when they met as pro's Holmes whooped Ali, but again Ali was a shot fighter at the time where as Holmes was in his prime, just like Holmes was a novice and Ali was a complete pro when they sparred i just don't see what your trying to prove here with that comment.

[El Kabong]

Ali schooled Holmes for 3 years as a sparring partner

...and Holyfield used to whip up on Riddick Bowe in sparring....their actual fights didn't (bar #2) didn't go so easily for Evander