Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
Plenty of "Americans" (using the mocking finger quotes) like Susan Surandon and Rosie O'Donnell care about what everyone else thinks...but I am of the opinion if Americans don't respect/love/admire America then no one else is going to do it for them....so we have to work on us and everyone else is just going to have to take a fucking backseat whilst we get our shit together.


The war is beside the point here...it's not JUST the war America has problems with....this partisan crap hasn't gotten any better since W took office and it wouldn't have been any better if Gore or Kerry had won either....Congress' rating is worse than W's and no body (bar myself) is bitching about how fucked up the Democrats are....Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Clinton and all the other winged monkeys out there have done fuck all for America and they have had ample opportunities but THEY chose to grandstand.....people can accuse the GOP of grandstanding as well but hey look in the mirror they had a chance to stop funding on the war thereby securing it's end and they balked.......because like any politician these days, they don't have the stones to do anything about anything
So because people have a different perspective from yours they are somehow less American than you? You can be patriotic while objecting to the actions of your government, you do understand that? As for the rest of your post, I have no idea what that has to do with anything else that we have been discussing. However, I do want to address something you said, if the Dems (or Reps) had blocked funding at any point during the war it would have been political suicide. They would've immediately been labeled as being against the troops because of the god awful, supporting the war=supporting the troops link that has been established because of the shame American's feel towards the way they treated returning Vietnam veterans.