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Yes he is. Jones has lost 3 of his last six. He is nothing like what he was. Pavlik hurts guys and out boxes them. Enzo and Joe are scared after they witnessed their boy get ripped in half.
so by your theory Pavlik would be a coward if he fought Mayorga because Mayorga's also lost 3 of his last 6?
Also how scared was Joe when he saw Reid torn apart by Lacy?
Pavlik does not make excusses or fake injuries to get out of fights.
So lets just take the scenario that suppose calzaghe does beat both jones and pavlik...then his record looks like this:

Undefeated undisputed ring mag champ at 2 weights for 12 years! 47,0,0.

Retiring as ring mag p4p number one.

Having beaten:

Mitchell
eubank
lacy
reid
kessler
hopkins
jones
pavlik

Then what?

Who will be the next fighter that 'joe will duck', 'joe will get his ass kicked by', 'joe will get KTFO' blah blah blah...

Who will it be after this?

Will it be chad dawson? PLEASE YOU CANT BE SERIOUS? Will it be tarver? NOPE!

So where is the excuse going to come from after all of that? The excuse is going to come from somewhere, im just trying to think who its going to be?

I bet itll be chad dawson, even though we all know joe would punish him. Chad didnt deserve the win against johnson at all, if he won it on 'points spread throughout the whole fight' then it made calzaghes close win over hopkins look like a landslide victory over hopkins.

So genuine question here, what happens if calzaghe does beat jones and pavlik? Then what?

Imagine an american fighter who was 47,0,0 undefeated, undisputed champ in 2 weight divisions for 12 years, beating mitchell, eubank, reid, lacy, kessler, hopkins, jones and pavlik...the americans would be touting the guy way way above roy jones, they would be saying its the second coming of sugar ray robinson.

But the fact is that even when joe beats pavlik and jones there will still be excuses made.

So hands up to anyone who will finally say, on this forum in writing 'IF JOE BEATS JONES AND PAVLIK HE IS A COMPLETE LEGENDARY FIGHTER AND I EAT MY WORDS.'

Will anyone do that? Or will they make up more stupid excuses to try to justify their hatred?

They already look silly by making up all these excuses seeing as the ring mag says totally the opposite things about joe, but will these 'doubters/haters' actually own up and say 'enough is enough, joe is incredible' should he beat pavlik and jones? If they still cant accept it when looking at a 47,0,0 fighter at 2 weight classes, champ over 12 years and ring mag p4p no.1 (that is where they will rate him after he beats pavlik and jones) then i dont even class them as a fan of boxing tbh.

How can someone call themselves a fan of boxing if they still refuse to accept joe as a complete legend should he beat jones and pavlik...definately not a proper boxing fan at all.