Calzaghe says Jones his last fight

[CFH]

If Pavlik fights Mayorga instead of Winky or another legitimate challenge, then Pavlik fans need to shut up about Calzaghe taking on an over the hill and shot opponent. Mayorga is well best his best, he's done nothing to deserve a title shot, Pavlik's already had a gimme fight in his last bout, and Mayorga has fought as low as 140 in his career and he's already been stopped 3 times by fighters who don't hit anywhere near as hard as Pavlik.

Well there is Winky, I forgot about him. He isn't the easiest guy to make a fight with and obviously I could see why Arum wouldn't want to make that (hard to look good against, old so people will discredit the win if he dominates) but that would be a good fight.

I'm willing to give Pavlik a pass cause he tried to make a big time fight. He needs to fight Abraham at some point though and Winky although I don't see that happening.

He should find a better stay busy fight than Mayorga but like I said I find it hard to get that upset about it since he tried to make a big fight.

He tried to make one fight with a guy 1 or 2 divisions above him. How about fighting a ranked middleweight then if that fight can't be made?

Hasn't Calzaghe been slated throughout his career for trying and not succeeding in making big fights? Mayorga or Rubio are gimme fights in the same vein of a Bika, and Roy Jones Jr. is a biggest test for Calzaghe than either of those fighters are for Pavlik.

[Violent Demise]

Pavlik massacred of Lockett which Enzo Calzaghe saw first hand has without a doubt convinced him not to put his son nowhere near Pavlik. His son would get hurt. And Joe agrees.

[OumaFan]

If Pavlik fights Mayorga instead of Winky or another legitimate challenge, then Pavlik fans need to shut up about Calzaghe taking on an over the hill and shot opponent. Mayorga is well best his best, he's done nothing to deserve a title shot, Pavlik's already had a gimme fight in his last bout, and Mayorga has fought as low as 140 in his career and he's already been stopped 3 times by fighters who don't hit anywhere near as hard as Pavlik.

Well there is Winky, I forgot about him. He isn't the easiest guy to make a fight with and obviously I could see why Arum wouldn't want to make that (hard to look good against, old so people will discredit the win if he dominates) but that would be a good fight.

I'm willing to give Pavlik a pass cause he tried to make a big time fight. He needs to fight Abraham at some point though and Winky although I don't see that happening.

He should find a better stay busy fight than Mayorga but like I said I find it hard to get that upset about it since he tried to make a big fight.

He tried to make one fight with a guy 1 or 2 divisions above him. How about fighting a ranked middleweight then if that fight can't be made?

Hasn't Calzaghe been slated throughout his career for trying and not succeeding in making big fights? Mayorga or Rubio are gimme fights in the same vein of a Bika, and Roy Jones Jr. is a biggest test for Calzaghe than either of those fighters are for Pavlik.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but who? The middleweight division outside of Pavlik, Abraham, Winky, and maybe Sturm (and I find it hard to believe Sturm would come to the U.S. to fight Pavlik) is a graveyard.

They should do a better stay busy fight (Geovanni Lorenzo? Amin Asikainen? there's not much there, I'm not even sure that these guys would put up much more than Mayorga even if they are middles) but I'm not as upset about it as you are. He fought Miranda, Taylor twice, took a totally acceptable gimme and then tried to make a fight with Calzaghe. Even if he takes another gimme as long as he fights somebody like Abraham after that I won't care.

[CFH]

Well there is Winky, I forgot about him. He isn't the easiest guy to make a fight with and obviously I could see why Arum wouldn't want to make that (hard to look good against, old so people will discredit the win if he dominates) but that would be a good fight.

I'm willing to give Pavlik a pass cause he tried to make a big time fight. He needs to fight Abraham at some point though and Winky although I don't see that happening.

He should find a better stay busy fight than Mayorga but like I said I find it hard to get that upset about it since he tried to make a big fight.

He tried to make one fight with a guy 1 or 2 divisions above him. How about fighting a ranked middleweight then if that fight can't be made?

Hasn't Calzaghe been slated throughout his career for trying and not succeeding in making big fights? Mayorga or Rubio are gimme fights in the same vein of a Bika, and Roy Jones Jr. is a biggest test for Calzaghe than either of those fighters are for Pavlik.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but who? The middleweight division outside of Pavlik, Abraham, Winky, and maybe Sturm (and I find it hard to believe Sturm would come to the U.S. to fight Pavlik) is a graveyard.

They should do a better stay busy fight (Geovanni Lorenzo? Amin Asikainen? there's not much there, I'm not even sure that these guys would put up much more than Mayorga even if they are middles) but I'm not as upset about it as you are. He fought Miranda, Taylor twice, took a totally acceptable gimme and then tried to make a fight with Calzaghe. Even if he takes another gimme as long as he fights somebody like Abraham after that I won't care.

I don't think it would be that hard to make a fight with Winky, Winky himself has been saying he wants the fight in every interview I've read with him. I'm not necessarily opposed to Pavlik taking another gimme if he fights an Abraham afterwards, but I'm getting tired of seeing Calzaghe getting ripped into while Pavlik apparently can do no wrong. Lockett, an older Mayorga, and Rubio aren't exactly the highest level of competition, I'd prefer any of the ranked guys you mentioned to them.

[OumaFan]

He tried to make one fight with a guy 1 or 2 divisions above him. How about fighting a ranked middleweight then if that fight can't be made?

Hasn't Calzaghe been slated throughout his career for trying and not succeeding in making big fights? Mayorga or Rubio are gimme fights in the same vein of a Bika, and Roy Jones Jr. is a biggest test for Calzaghe than either of those fighters are for Pavlik.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you but who? The middleweight division outside of Pavlik, Abraham, Winky, and maybe Sturm (and I find it hard to believe Sturm would come to the U.S. to fight Pavlik) is a graveyard.

They should do a better stay busy fight (Geovanni Lorenzo? Amin Asikainen? there's not much there, I'm not even sure that these guys would put up much more than Mayorga even if they are middles) but I'm not as upset about it as you are. He fought Miranda, Taylor twice, took a totally acceptable gimme and then tried to make a fight with Calzaghe. Even if he takes another gimme as long as he fights somebody like Abraham after that I won't care.

I don't think it would be that hard to make a fight with Winky, Winky himself has been saying he wants the fight in every interview I've read with him. I'm not necessarily opposed to Pavlik taking another gimme if he fights an Abraham afterwards, but I'm getting tired of seeing Calzaghe getting ripped into while Pavlik apparently can do no wrong. Lockett, an older Mayorga, and Rubio aren't exactly the highest level of competition, I'd prefer any of the ranked guys you mentioned to them.

Fair enough, but most people are going to see Pavlik in a better light than Calzaghe on this considering Pavlik's the one who wanted to make the fight. Most people got over Calzaghe taking two gimmes after the Lacy fight (which came after a string of pretty anonymous guys) when he signed to fight Kessler. Pavlik has fought tough competition lately and he was interested in another big fight.

As far as the possibilities of making a Winky fight, I don't really know, that's always been the story about Winky, or at least lately, but I don't know. But Arum will do anything he can not to make it anyway.

And also Mayorga's a rumor, we'll see if it happens. It would be a bad choice no doubt.

[LEGION]

Mayorga would be somewhat of a letdown; but it would actually be fun just to watch the build-up. I'd love to see if Mayorga could find that button to push and bring out the dragon in Pavlik. I can only imagine what would come out of Mayorga's mouth prior to a fight. Too bad he'd get ktfo for his trouble.

[Deanrw]

Mayorga would be somewhat of a letdown; but it would actually be fun just to watch the build-up. I'd love to see if Mayorga could find that button to push and bring out the dragon in Pavlik. I can only imagine what would come out of Mayorga's mouth prior to a fight. Too bad he'd get ktfo for his trouble.

Arum is trying to get Pavlik in a high profile fight. It does not have to be a tough fight for him, but just expose him to more fans. As good as Pavlik is, he is not really well known unless you are a boxing fan. Same as Winky. Winky is a respected fighter, but he is no ratings bonanza either. Pavlik vs. Winky = Big money lost by Arum, and Arum knows it.

This is where Mayorga comes in. Say what you want, but the guy is popular and will help show Pavlik to the masses. Arum said last year that he wanted Pavlik to have NON PPV fights to help increase his popularity, unless of course, there was an opponent who could carry the card financially.

This is why Arum tried to get the Calzaghe fight. It would have meant a lot of money coming from across the pond while exposing Pavlik to a huge boxing market across the Pond.

I think we will end up seeing Pavlik in a few more low key fights, where Arum will not lose his ass financially, until they can land a big popular fish for Kelly.

[Spicoli]

This does nothing for Joe except line his pockets and add a faded name in Jones Jr,who is holding on by his fingertips to reclaim his stature...Why do some fans settle for going backwards so easily ?