Landing Hooks and Uppercuts from the outside.

[El Kabong]

If you're going to throw a lunging hook here's what works for me...


Set up the right cross....feint the right cross...when you feint roll your body weight to your left side and then push off and leap in with the hook.

This way you have time to see if they buy the feint....if they don't then hold back the hook and keep pounding the 1-2 and it will eventually set it up

[donnydarkoIRL]

If you're going to throw a lunging hook here's what works for me...


Set up the right cross....feint the right cross...when you feint roll your body weight to your left side and then push off and leap in with the hook.

This way you have time to see if they buy the feint....if they don't then hold back the hook and keep pounding the 1-2 and it will eventually set it up

I would never train to throw a lunging hook.
I feel that lunging is by no means positive and should actually be discouraged.

[Youngblood]

Yea I am almost convinced my poorly executed hook was responsible for a lot of my lower back pain. Not saying I got it perfect now, but since I started working on shortening it the steady lower back pain has all but disappeared...

[Scrap]

Youngun,at a guees I dont think you are turning the Hook thats why its affecting the lower back if you were it wouldnt

[ICB]

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

[Andre]

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

I like uppercuts and what they can create specially for the next move on an opening.


I think the uppercut is best executed hidden from view. either by a feint that has attracted their lead arm across themselves more into centre, then have the uppercut come up under that same arm right at the point when it heads back to the side so they dont see it and it only appears right on the end of their own arms movment.(worth practiceing that exact timing and where you have to be bodily).

Or hidden by your own body movment like when you are passing under a lead arm to the outside and you follow your movment with the uppercut off your rear arm, launched in secret off your hip right between his arms as you pass through so theres weight and movment in it.

Sneaky people can even lightly shove an arm and the fighter will react and his arm will force against the original push which you can then rip up the inside of or around.

So : (follow my kookyness here ) you could lightly shove a lead left arm at the elbow point in towards his centre as you duck and passed through under it....his reaction would insinctly be that his arm would follow your body movment and you would then have the opening to use the rear arm uppercut as you followed his arm through etc .


Hooking the lead arm from the outside and immediatley uppercut under the reaction to it is possible too, while moving into distance. (Only if your in in opposite stances) right arm lead verses left arm lead or the reverse of course.

Turning an uppercut over into a cross from down real low will follow the path of the target and can get a result in some cases where they are already on the move early.

IF your heads are at the same level ,an uppercut straight into an overhand bomb is going to find the natural opening that the uppercut creates both using two hands one up the inside alley and the other over the outside if your both in the same stances or just the one arm in that combo if your both in the reverse stance to each other.

[southpawed]

i dont know about a long long left hook. But if you're going to throw it as a lead punch, i found that the hook off the jab works well. The jab determines if they're in range or not, if they are, then pow, twist your hips and nail em.

[shashangan]

Hi,
I actually have some experience of using the hooks (not wild swings) in street fights.One thing I learned is using front half of your foot(the part ohter than the heel) as an anchor.When you throw a hook just pivot on it like crushing a peanut.This helps in making the hook centerlined i.e prevents it from degenerating into a swing also you can lead off the hook very easily which means after throwing a left jab just pivot on your left and you can produce a left hook without retracting the punching left hand.

[Youngblood]

Youngun,at a guees I dont think you are turning the Hook thats why its affecting the lower back if you were it wouldnt

Yea thanks Scrap, I believe you are right. I think I got most of that figured out in the last few months. Backs feeling much better now. I got a brand new problem working on using the uppercut properly now. Is always something to work on, eh?

[El Kabong]

I would never train to throw a lunging hook.
I feel that lunging is by no means positive and should actually be discouraged.

Don't knock it till you try it....it's not like I just lept in with no defense and no regard for my chin.


When you feint the right cross you either get your opponent to try and cover up or they don't do anything and wait to time you coming in. After you feint you have your right hand up close to your chin protecting any counter shots and you also shift your weight to put big power on your hook.


This is not something to use all the time but like the right hook it can be used to great effect in certain situations.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I've tried it.

I've found that it not only robs you of your balance and leverage it also steals an opportunity for work from you.

When you lunge you lose the ability to apply full power and precision. You're not grounded, losing you're capacity for power.
However, lunging means you're also going to be moving towards an opponent at a fast rate. Even if you do connect you're bound to be two close to capitalise, smothering your own work and wasting opportunity.

[El Kabong]

Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson used it...you follow up with a right uppercut and you've just ran THEM into another power punch.


But fine, you do you....I'm just throwing out some stuff that has worked for me.


I doubt the guys I've hit with my hook have felt that anything was left out of it....I know I couldn't tell I hit any lighter because I don't leave the ground when I throw that combination...I wait until the fighter is in range pump the jab...pause step forward roll the right shoulder and see if they move their arms forward then I drop the bomb....if not I just keep my head moving and work the 1-2 until they buy the feint



But I know the best hook is the quick counter one and not the one loaded up on...I throw those different ways as well. On the quick one I turn my wrist aiming for the point of the chin, on the big one I keep my wrist perpendicular to the ground and I just want to make contact with anything a head, a glove, an arm, the body, anything just to let my opponent know what's coming.

[southpawed]

Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson used it...you follow up with a right uppercut and you've just ran THEM into another power punch.


But fine, you do you....I'm just throwing out some stuff that has worked for me.

ya missed one, the late and great Floyd Patterson. I remember being in awe of his leaping left hook, seeing him lay out Johansson with it was awesome. He often executed it in the same manner you're talking about too, in which he would feint with his right to the body, and that would coil up his legs to unleash that leaping left hook. good stuff.

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I've tried it.

I've found that it not only robs you of your balance and leverage it also steals an opportunity for work from you.

When you lunge you lose the ability to apply full power and precision. You're not grounded, losing you're capacity for power.
However, lunging means you're also going to be moving towards an opponent at a fast rate. Even if you do connect you're bound to be two close to capitalise, smothering your own work and wasting opportunity.

Donny i see where Lyle is coming from, but i can also see your POV of the whole idea of 'lunging' also . You see it as a balls out jump at your opponent and swing, which yes, would either stuff your range or leave you off balanced and in no position to launch any other offense.

But i think Lyle means a controlled calculated lunge. As with any other punch thrown in boxing, all the factors have to be considered, such as your range, the timing, the direction your opponent is moving, etc etc. Even moreso with the leaping left hook. If you time it correctly and find the perfect range, that seemingly desperate lunge is nothing more than a method of closing that distance, and if landed, it can put you in a perfect position to throw another punch off of it.

But theres really no argument, because you're correct also. As with any lunging attack, you miscalculate and you can be in a world of shit, with everything you mentioned, stuffed range, no chance of a follow up attack. But it cant be totally ruled out of your arsenal. Just gotta know when to use it and how to set it up.

[Trainer Monkey]

Its basically,if you get caught lunging with a straight right your screwed. Actually Frazier and Tyson didnt lunge as much as weave in