Congratulations to Abraham and his fans!

[Wacko3205]

If he gets his wish and fights Pavlik, I say he Arthur wins. I still am not sold on Kelly, but Abraham is just too tough. I dont know if he can be hurt. Kelly leaves himself open, and Abraham will connect. I am looking forward and hope it happens. Should be a great fight either way.

Here's a good point...& being a fan of both Pavlik & Abraham...I gotta agree.

Pavlik vs Abraham will be a tuff hard fought win for Pavlik.

While I love Pavlik...Abraham is the sharper boxer & uses his defense while lining up his pin point accurate offense. I would have loved to have seen this fight...one...because I am no Pantera fan...two...because Abraham sounded like he was on point.

If I have to pick from Pavlik Abraham...I say that Abraham's the winner...just based on his overall skill level.

Pavlik's a warrior & strong & gutty & all that...but he leaves barn door sized openings & Abraham would capitalize on that.

Simple as dut!

[ICB]

If he gets his wish and fights Pavlik, I say he Arthur wins. I still am not sold on Kelly, but Abraham is just too tough. I dont know if he can be hurt. Kelly leaves himself open, and Abraham will connect. I am looking forward and hope it happens. Should be a great fight either way.

Here's a good point...& being a fan of both Pavlik & Abraham...I gotta agree.

Pavlik vs Abraham will be a tuff hard fought win for Pavlik.

While I love Pavlik...Abraham is the sharper boxer & uses his defense while lining up his pin point accurate offense. I would have loved to have seen this fight...one...because I am no Pantera fan...two...because Abraham sounded like he was on point.

If I have to pick from Pavlik Abraham...I say that Abraham's the winner...just based on his overall skill level.

Pavlik's a warrior & strong & gutty & all that...but he leaves barn door sized openings & Abraham would capitalize on that.

Simple as dut!

Abraham is far too defensive though and notice against Miranda he was on the back foot for the majority of both fights against Miranda, and Pavlik is a lot better fighter at putting fighters on the back foot not allowing them to get there feet set. It wouldn't surprise me if Abraham did put Pavlik on the floor, but i just think Abraham hasn't got the work rate to beat Pavlik. And i can see Pavlik stopping Abraham late on in the fight.

[Fenster]

Abraham is bordering on boring. If he didn't have the KO power he really would be utterly boring.

Pavlik will build up a big lead before gettting KO'd. I thought this before the Miranda fight. No need to change.

[Wacko3205]

If he gets his wish and fights Pavlik, I say he Arthur wins. I still am not sold on Kelly, but Abraham is just too tough. I dont know if he can be hurt. Kelly leaves himself open, and Abraham will connect. I am looking forward and hope it happens. Should be a great fight either way.

Here's a good point...& being a fan of both Pavlik & Abraham...I gotta agree.

Pavlik vs Abraham will be a tuff hard fought win for Pavlik.

While I love Pavlik...Abraham is the sharper boxer & uses his defense while lining up his pin point accurate offense. I would have loved to have seen this fight...one...because I am no Pantera fan...two...because Abraham sounded like he was on point.

If I have to pick from Pavlik Abraham...I say that Abraham's the winner...just based on his overall skill level.

Pavlik's a warrior & strong & gutty & all that...but he leaves barn door sized openings & Abraham would capitalize on that.

Simple as dut!

Abraham is far too defensive though and notice against Miranda he was on the back foot for the majority of both fights against Miranda, and Pavlik is a lot better fighter at putting fighters on the back foot not allowing them to get there feet set. It wouldn't surprise me if Abraham did put Pavlik on the floor, but i just think Abraham hasn't got the work rate to beat Pavlik. And i can see Pavlik stopping Abraham late on in the fight.

I hate to say this & sound snooty...but...WHUT?!?!?

Far too defensive?

Here's the thing...there's far too defensive (ie : Winky...& I love Wink...but he's peek a boo) & then there's fighting smart (ie : I just got back in the ropes w/a fool that broke my jaw in 2007) which is exactly what Abraham does.

Seriously though...Abraham's a smart boxer that packs an assload of power in his gloves. I have'nt seen this fight...so I hate to comment...but I just can't feel you on that lable for Abraham.

I've seen a bulk of his bouts & no where do I think that the man's too defensive...& you know me ICB...I loves me some defensive masters.

I would have though Abraham a fool if he charged out there & fought fire with fire like Miranda ALWAYS does. Had AA walked into that ring head on...he'd have been dropped...& believe you me...Abraham has a beard.

I really want to see this fight on ShowTime & not streaming.

Gotta see the bill...someway...somehow.

[Wacko3205]

Abraham is far too defensive though and notice against Miranda he was on the back foot for the majority of both fights against Miranda, and Pavlik is a lot better fighter at putting fighters on the back foot not allowing them to get there feet set. It wouldn't surprise me if Abraham did put Pavlik on the floor, but i just think Abraham hasn't got the work rate to beat Pavlik. And i can see Pavlik stopping Abraham late on in the fight.

Oh yeah...agreed on the work rate deal with Pavlik...that could be the winning step right there.

[ICB]

I think he is Wacko sometimes he just does nothing in an entire round then he opens up with a barrage of punches then he goes back onto the defensive. Im not saying thats a bad thing because as you know i like defensive fighters like Mayweather, Whitaker etc. But it is against someone like Pavlik who puts you on the back foot constantly and once Pavlik gets you on the back foot and you let him get leverage coming forward its all over. Abraham just isn't active enough and although he is a better fighter than Miranda was on the back foot he will still get out worked and eventually stopped late on. Like i said with Abraham's power it wouldn't surprise me if Abraham did knock Pavlik down, but i still seeing Pavlik winning TKO late in the fight.

[OumaFan]

I certainly wouldn't want Abraham to win, like ICB says he just sits there for long stretches of time, I don't think he's bordering on boring, I think he is boring, very boring, but I'm afraid he might stop Pavlik, like Fenster said, with Pavlik ahead on points.

[Fenster]

I certainly wouldn't want Abraham to win, like ICB says he just sits there for long stretches of time, I don't think he's bordering on boring, I think he is boring, very boring, but I'm afraid he might stop Pavlik, like Fenster said, with Pavlik ahead on points.

Yeah my prediction is based on Abraham being a "lucky" funker. Pavlik would be winning easily, with Abraham doing nothing, then bam! Lands something and finishes him.

And it wouldn't be good for fans of entertaining fighters

[Wacko3205]

I certainly wouldn't want Abraham to win, like ICB says he just sits there for long stretches of time, I don't think he's bordering on boring, I think he is boring, very boring, but I'm afraid he might stop Pavlik, like Fenster said, with Pavlik ahead on points.

Yeah my prediction is based on Abraham being a "lucky" funker. Pavlik would be winning easily, with Abraham doing nothing, then bam! Lands something and finishes him.

And it wouldn't be good for fans of entertaining fighters

I want whoever is better for the division to win. You feel me?

I aint sure that Pavlik is a sure bet...he leaves himself wide open to way too much stuff for me to be secure against top level opposition...course...if he keeps knockin em the fuck out...guess that'll solve that.