where does that rate in the all time great pac performances??

[HattonTheHammer]

Manny Pacquiao has only gone 12 rounds 5 times, twice with Marquez, once with Barrera, once with Morales, once with Larios.

Am i right in saying el terrible is the only one of those that has managed to outpoint him??

what a great great fight that was

Yep your right Pacquiao's other losses were when he was really young, one was where he was weight drained and got KO'ed by a body shot that looked low to me, but IMO the only boxer who has ever had Pacquiao's number is Marquez, because he circles clockwise and forces Pacquiao to move in a direction which is against his natural power, and plus because he has excellent timing because he is a counter puncher, he can beat Pacquiao's speed with timing ever heard of the old saying timing beats speed ?? plus he leads with straight right hands right down the pipe and throws left hooks to the body, all these little things are needed when fighting Southpaws and Marquez has got it down to a tee.

I had it 114-112 for marq in the 1st and 114-113 for marq in the 2nd.

The 1st fight in particular grinds my gears still, even with 3 knockdowns you can only ever score a round 10-7 and after that he must of won at least 8 of the remaining 11 rounds!!