Pacman v Hamed

[Majesty]

Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he scored 3 knockdowns on Naz because he countered Naz, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight, and he is much faster and much more powerful than Kelley is.

Hamed was already on the downside by the Kelly fight.

Hamed beat everyone he could he held every belt at 126lbs.

I think Pac would have won but by Barerra Hamed was a shadow.

How could he be on the downside when he hadn't shown any sign's of it in previous fights ?? like i said don't you think it has something to do with Naz stepping up in class that made him look bad. Remember that was Naz's first fight in the USA.

He was showing it. Remember the medina fight? Hamed seemed to run hot and cold, he would look unbeatable against johnson robinson and vulnerable against Medina and Alicea(for a second)

So there's no real way to tell when he was on the downside. But what was apparent was that he wasnt listening to Ingle in the Kelley fight.

[ICB]

Hamed was already on the downside by the Kelly fight.

Hamed beat everyone he could he held every belt at 126lbs.

I think Pac would have won but by Barerra Hamed was a shadow.

How could he be on the downside when he hadn't shown any sign's of it in previous fights ?? like i said don't you think it has something to do with Naz stepping up in class that made him look bad. Remember that was Naz's first fight in the USA.

He was showing it. Remember the medina fight? Hamed seemed to run hot and cold, he would look unbeatable against johnson robinson and vulnerable against Medina and Alicea(for a second)

So there's no real way to tell when he was on the downside. But what was apparent was that he wasnt listening to Ingle in the Kelley fight.

Well i never thought Robinson was elite i know his story about winning the title on only 24 hours notice, i did watch the fight but i always thought Robinson skill wise was only goodish fighter despite the title defense he made. When i watched Robinson i never saw anything that stood out, a bit like Tom Johnson as well. And how can a fighter be on the downslide at 23 years old ?? its not like Naz was another Mike Tyson is it ?? he was physically and mentally ok, it was just down to his poor balance which made him too easy to counter when he lunged in and thats why he struggled against Kelley.

[littlebif]

I dont think Naz was on the slide i think its more he got cocky as he got older the started to try and bomb people out with 1 punch raver than boxing them and creating the holes in his opponents guard. Plus the fact he was'nt putting much effort in training cause he fought he didnt need to.

[Memphis]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

[ICB]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

But how can someone just win there first title and all of a sudden just go downhill ?? and at that age. I just don't buy it sorry Memphis as soon as his stepped up in competition you could see his flaws, he always had terrible balance and was easy to counter end of, and thats why when Barrera fought him he kept Naz off balance all night with the jab, and because Naz has terrible balance anyway he couldn't get any power into his shots when he fought Barrera.

[Memphis]

Im not asking you to buy anything. Anyone who watched Hamed from the start could see he was done, simple as. Nothing to do with age or wear and tear, it was his head that was the problem.

[Majesty]

I think Hamed stopped listening to ingle.

it's very easy to lose your prime at that age.

Because at one point Hamed stopped relying on his boxing ability and threw it out the window for relying only on his power and its all he worked on. And if you don't work on the things he did your reflexes will fade.

it's like being able to dunk. And then taking the summer off of playing basketball. When you come back you will barely be able to dunk.

Now imagine being a boxer and neglecting your training in all but two aspects, making weight and relying on your power and talent to get you through. Now his talent got him far but he was far from the hamed of those golden years where he looked awesome.

And I agree with Memphis

[ICB]

Im not asking you to buy anything. Anyone who watched Hamed from the start could see he was done, simple as. Nothing to do with age or wear and tear, it was his head that was the problem.

I just think the flaws were always there to be taken advantage of and the more he stepped up in competition to more those flaws become apparent but thats just my two cents.

[Fenster]

ice, stop saying naz had poor balance

anyone throwing lunging leaping punches from all angles is gonna lose their footing.. try it

[eagle]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

Peaked against Robinson? Robinson was fucken 21-9 and no more than a decent euro fighter at best!

[brucelee]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

Peaked against Robinson? Robinson was fucken 21-9 and no more than a decent euro fighter at best!

nice counter there eagle. by the way,how do you know that a boxer is at its peak? simply, Barrera exposed Naz. FACT. Against strong opposition, he will falter. You know why? Coz he's simply not mentally strong. Pac will demolish Naz coz Pac had fought better oppositions and have prevailed.

[eagle]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

Peaked against Robinson? Robinson was fucken 21-9 and no more than a decent euro fighter at best!

nice counter there eagle. by the way,how do you know that a boxer is at its peak? simply, Barrera exposed Naz. FACT. Against strong opposition, he will falter. You know why? Coz he's simply not mentally strong. Pac will demolish Naz coz Pac had fought better oppositions and have prevailed.

I hate how they keep giving Naz excuses. Not as good after Ingle, lost focus, blah blah. Point is keeping focus is part of being a top fighter. Pac has the runs on the board against a number of ATG's. Naz fought one and got beat badly. Thats all the reasoning i need to pick Pacman against him.

I usually dont rate Pac as high as some but i still think he would have fucked up the little Prince.