The problem with Boxing & It's training.

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Les Haste more speed, Haste is thinking the wrong perception in this game. Think clear you are, I am that , you are that , this is that, or He who laugths last didnt get the joke in the 1st place. Ask Andre Hes the sage on these things.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Les Haste more speed, Haste is thinking the wrong perception in this game. Think clear you are, I am that , you are that , this is that, or He who laugths last didnt get the joke in the 1st place. Ask Andre Hes the sage on these things.

Ok, I'll unravel that one eventually.

In other news, sparring Cresham again this week, along with a couple others, found that I was boxing a lot better sparring him last Friday, so looking for some more development this week.

[Scrap]

Haste is a response which affects muscle response and your postore and balance. It gives you should have ,. You can talk to a man with a wooden Leg but not to a man with a wooden Head, love that saying

[iceman]

i am tainted with other things than pure boxing...but lessons i have learned, a strike is a strike, it is the principle of it that makes it well timed or ill advised...economy of motion is the new rule for me...funny it took a long time to realize that but for those that doubt i can teach you the panther punch...he he

[Sharla]

I really prefer to understand why something is right and wrong but also the mechanics of how it works. Some things my coaches explain others they don't and some they probably do explain and i still don't get it anyway (i pity them coaching me sometimes ).

The thing i probably struggle with conceptually the most is how people hold such strong guards and mine is utterly pathetic no matter what i do!

Since you commented on it though Hitmandonny - i am curious about the shoulder hitting your chin thing. I mean i can do that sometimes but i must do it the wrong way because my body right shoulder hitting my chin at the end of my cross just hurts! Maybe i turn the fist over at the wrong time?

Sometimes I'd prefer to be hit with my opponents glove than my shoulder because at least that's semi-padded! Or am I just being a woss!

Overall i do agree with you hitmandonny. In many places the boxing culture is to do what you're told without questioning why.

I think it's meant to be about discipline and being gutzy but there are other ways to demonstrate discipline and determination and respect for your trainer than to not question them or the techniques they were taught.

I think if you can ask someone a Q because you trust them to know the answer and elighten you it's better than just trusting the techniques they were taught.

I often wonder how much i can and can't do has to do with me as an individual because something is not quite right - maybe my hips are out, i have a weak muscle group somewhere etc - things that i may not be able to correct just by persisting with that technique.

Things like a tight psoas for example which can mess up your ability to balance and move fluently are often exacerbated by more exercise - so the more you train some things with the wrong physical tools - the more you exacerbate tightnesses etc and the more difficult it would be to do what you're trying to do.

If you don't know why and how something works how can you tell the difference between what you should be able to do and what you need more preparation to be able to do physically?!?!

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hey Sharla, good to see you back!
As for the Shoulders. Its a defensive movement that I was taught quite some time ago but had completely neglected in recent years.
I think if the force is in the fist you shouldn't feel it in the shoulder


Your point about not asking why is exactly the problem. Too many (including myself) blindly follow trainers instructions. We trust the trainer and almost assume he's the best in the world.

I was told I rely too much on my heart in fights. Pushing through fatigue pain and stamina barriers I can believe that. Having been shown some new things and asked to rely on those techniques makes my life a little easier.

Trainers have a poor understanding of the body.
They pass on what they learned themselves, never pausing to think that they could alter it a little for the better. Thats the problem

[Scrap]

What we seek is the truth, by finding ourself and knowing your self. With a bit of outside Help with the Truth.

[Sharla]

Hey Sharla, good to see you back!
As for the Shoulders. Its a defensive movement that I was taught quite some time ago but had completely neglected in recent years.
I think if the force is in the fist you shouldn't feel it in the shoulder


Your point about not asking why is exactly the problem. Too many (including myself) blindly follow trainers instructions. We trust the trainer and almost assume he's the best in the world.

I was told I rely too much on my heart in fights. Pushing through fatigue pain and stamina barriers I can believe that. Having been shown some new things and asked to rely on those techniques makes my life a little easier.

Trainers have a poor understanding of the body.
They pass on what they learned themselves, never pausing to think that they could alter it a little for the better. Thats the problem

Thanks Donny, Glad to be back.

I guess I just need to practice letting my shoulder come up and see what happens. I think I have a bit of a phobia about letting my nack hunch even a little so I've avoided a lot of things in case i hunch my back attempting to do them.

I might have to reexamine how i do them and whether or not my little phobia is based anywhere in reality.

I agree with what you say. The culture sometimes seems to be that it's disrespectful to Q what you do and I'd like to see that change in boxing too.

I also think whatever you do as Diz said you really can't assume the way you've found is the best way.

Most things never reach perfection so it shouldn't be insulting to try to find ways to improve them and you'll never be able to do that without understanding the reasons you do things.

Actually the way you feel about your boxing coaches is exactly how I feel about my PhD supervisor. I'm not sure that this is a boxing specific mentality.

There are some that can look at a student and teach/encourage them to learn and be proud when they think of something new or creative. They want you to develop the mental tools and understanding you need to improve beyond what you are merely told. There are others that just want you to stay in your box whether they are conscious of that or not.

I can see you becoming more and more independent and learning where to pick up the information you need. It may be frustrating but you're not the type to be held back long term by it.

[Dizaster]

I liked your post Donny... It could almost be said as a metaphor for things in life as well... You can be doing something one way your whole life and get better faster at it, and are quite content,,, then someone comes along and shows you a better way, and you almost have to look back on every single time that you did that thing, and wondered why and how you ever really truely got by without that new piece of knowledge...

As Missy said, I think it is all your hard work and determination that got you to the level that you made it to, and it is that exact some drive that will take you to the level above that if you wish..

One way I would suggest to look at it is by watching a few boxing matches... Many many many fighters have different stances and techniques. They all hold their hands differently, move differently, stand a little different, throw their punches slightly wider or shorter etc... Any one of them could have been throwing like that their whole boxing career, and they could be 5 time world champions....... To a new person coming in, they would probably even try to emulate exactly how that champion throws their punches/stands..... But a different trainer could come along and show that champion a different way of throwing a jab, and instantly it could improve.....
It probably doesn't make his last trainer's jab inferior. Hell it got him 5 world championships..
Everyone has different styles and techniques.. And what really works for one person.. In fact, what is absolutely perfect for one person might be quite inferior for another...
That new trainer showed you a few tips that fortunately are something that suits you and where you can progress from where you are now, and it seems like your old techniques weren't as good as the new ones...
That's very lucky for you, and you sound very grateful for the gift... But I wouldn't think of your last trainers instruction as inferior to the new trainers... Just different, and not 100% perfect for you yourself...

I remember watching a documentary with Wayne Mcculloch when he changed trainers, and the new trainer said to him, "show me your jab"... Wayne does a Jab.. trainer says "Is that how you always throw it?", Wayne says "I'll throw it however you want me to throw it"...

Wayne was already a chapion at this stage, and his new trainer was able to improve his Jab... But it's the heart and determination that makes a champ...

My final thought is,,,, there are fighters who have made very decent professional careers, and have 100% taught themselves!!! Anyone could question just how far they could have got if they had proper instruction... But maybe they might not have got anywhere?? Millions of other factors could have determined them not being champion if they had adopted a trainer instead...

So take the new gift and enjoy it and let it make you all the more better of a fighter... And remember that it's everything that can't be taught that has probably got you as far as you are now, and further...

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Good post Sean I remember you singing The most Beutiful Girlin the world to the Wife, Up the BLADES .

[donnydarkoIRL]

Liked that post very much Diz, I'll rep you as soon as I can