Pacman v Hamed

[ICB]

Hmm.. Roys shots were far more refined.. and accurate

He still lunged in at times and threw punches from unorthodox angles, i mean the punch he KO'ed Griffin with was a lunging check left hook when have you ever seen that

watch one of Roy's earlier fights where he ko'd this guy jaca or something with a great left hook, when he missed he didn't look too good. But Roy picked his shots a lot better and he didn't really throw the same kind of off balance punches Hamed did, at least not in that style.

You mean Jorge Vaca ?? that was a great KO he countered with a left hook and sparked him out i didn't see anything wrong with his balance. Of course when anyone misses Majesty they won't look good, but Naz balance was just poor even when he wasn't throwing those lunging shots.

[Majesty]

He still lunged in at times and threw punches from unorthodox angles, i mean the punch he KO'ed Griffin with was a lunging check left hook when have you ever seen that

watch one of Roy's earlier fights where he ko'd this guy jaca or something with a great left hook, when he missed he didn't look too good. But Roy picked his shots a lot better and he didn't really throw the same kind of off balance punches Hamed did, at least not in that style.

You mean Jorge Vaca ?? that was a great KO he countered with a left hook and sparked him out i didn't see anything wrong with his balance. Of course when anyone misses Majesty they won't look good, but Naz balance was just poor even when he wasn't throwing those lunging shots.

and because he as george foreman put it "throws punches from behind his back" but its a credit to how fast he was that he was able to land them like he did. Roy was more fundamental then Hamed was imo.

[Pavlik]

PAC will not bull rush Hamed, he will use lateral movement against Hamed just like what He did to Diaz. PAC will not get caught by a punch coming in like what happened to him in the Torrecampo fight.
This version of Pacquiao will POWER his way in a boxer puncher type fashion. Hamed will eat tons of Manila Ice before getting tagged by PAC's vaunted left straight. Hamed has tons of potential and should've showed it against Barrera if he really is that good.
PAC kayos Hamed in 10 rounds.

[Shamrock]

How the hell is this so close? This is Naseem Hamed we are talking of her. The guy who was humiliated the first time he fought a top guy? Do 50% of guys on here truly think Hamed would beat the living legend that is Manny Pac? The Manny Pac who has beaten the likes of Barrera, Morales and Marquez? The same Manny Pac who just put on one of the most brutal displays i've seen in a long time this weekend gone?

Come on guys i think a lot of u are looking at Nas thru rose coloured glasses.

Hamed was already shot by the time he fought MAB - you have to consider how he would have done in his prime - around the time he fought Steve Robinson for example.

[GAME]

How the hell is this so close? This is Naseem Hamed we are talking of her. The guy who was humiliated the first time he fought a top guy? Do 50% of guys on here truly think Hamed would beat the living legend that is Manny Pac? The Manny Pac who has beaten the likes of Barrera, Morales and Marquez? The same Manny Pac who just put on one of the most brutal displays i've seen in a long time this weekend gone?

Come on guys i think a lot of u are looking at Nas thru rose coloured glasses.

Hamed was already shot by the time he fought MAB - you have to consider how he would have done in his prime - around the time he fought Steve Robinson for example.

Although I think Hamed was regressing as a fighter by the time he fought Barrera I think he made even more mistakes in his youth and Barrera would have beaten any version of Nas.

[yvonne]

Why? I'm a fan of Hamed..... He was really good. Luisito Espinosa would not have a chance against him but against Pacquaio he was simply inferior in defense and offense. I know you know why...do I need to explain? I suggest you watch his fights.

Hamed was a good counterpuncher and i've seen him having a pretty solid defense, he relied on his reflexes 99 percent of the time but i was pretty sure his defense was pretty good since he started his career as they called a "fancy dan with knockout power" He looked pretty good defensively, he was knocked down by Alicea but he looked pretty good dodging punches in that fight. You think Pacquiao has a better defense then Hamed did? How so?

Remember a decent Southpaw named Kevin Kelley ?? he scored 3 knockdowns on Naz because he countered Naz, now just imagine Pacquiao in Kelley's shoes Majesty. Just raising this question to give you something to think about, Naz had terrible balance and he could be countered. And Pacquiao is an underrated counter puncher he even countered a very good counter puncher like Marquez in there 2nd fight, and he is much faster and much more powerful than Kelley is.

I remember a fighter called Kelley.Was'nt he from Hartlepool??Im sure he was!

[Dark Lord Al]

For me Hamed didnt have a plan B . PACMAN will go down as a great fighter , Hamed will be remembered for loosing to the first elite fighter he fought.
as for his" prime " fighting Steve Robinson . well he for me was not an elite fighter , so thats easy to look good against , i stick to my view of an easy blowout by PACMAN.

but opinions are wot make the site great

[eagle]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

Peaked against Robinson? Robinson was fucken 21-9 and no more than a decent euro fighter at best!

[brucelee]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

Peaked against Robinson? Robinson was fucken 21-9 and no more than a decent euro fighter at best!

nice counter there eagle. by the way,how do you know that a boxer is at its peak? simply, Barrera exposed Naz. FACT. Against strong opposition, he will falter. You know why? Coz he's simply not mentally strong. Pac will demolish Naz coz Pac had fought better oppositions and have prevailed.

[eagle]

Its easy to look back retrospectively and say Hamed couldnt have been done, 23 years old?? WTF.

Anyone that followed him from early on could see that he was unravelling before your eyes, 23 or not.

Hamed peaked when he beat Robinson, he went downhill from there.

Peaked against Robinson? Robinson was fucken 21-9 and no more than a decent euro fighter at best!

nice counter there eagle. by the way,how do you know that a boxer is at its peak? simply, Barrera exposed Naz. FACT. Against strong opposition, he will falter. You know why? Coz he's simply not mentally strong. Pac will demolish Naz coz Pac had fought better oppositions and have prevailed.

I hate how they keep giving Naz excuses. Not as good after Ingle, lost focus, blah blah. Point is keeping focus is part of being a top fighter. Pac has the runs on the board against a number of ATG's. Naz fought one and got beat badly. Thats all the reasoning i need to pick Pacman against him.

I usually dont rate Pac as high as some but i still think he would have fucked up the little Prince.

[Spicoli]

I wouldnt see any comparison in Naz fighting Kelly and Naz fighting Pacman.Pacman wouldnt let Naz get him in the corner and try to counter him while he was there he would wont it in the midle of the ring.

Im not saying the fight would go similar to the Kelley fight, i was using an example of how a goodish Southpaw like Kelley could counter Naz easily. And thats what Pacquiao would do because he has much quicker hands than Kelley, and he also has more power which would make him even more dangerous when countering.

Not to split hairs But I don't see Pac with quicker hands than Kelly,A prime combo set Kelly was Pretty sharp & fluid....

But I Also think Pacquiao boxing would offset and take Hamed Wide over 12....

[eagle]

I wouldnt see any comparison in Naz fighting Kelly and Naz fighting Pacman.Pacman wouldnt let Naz get him in the corner and try to counter him while he was there he would wont it in the midle of the ring.

Im not saying the fight would go similar to the Kelley fight, i was using an example of how a goodish Southpaw like Kelley could counter Naz easily. And thats what Pacquiao would do because he has much quicker hands than Kelley, and he also has more power which would make him even more dangerous when countering.

Not to split hairs But I don't see Pac with quicker hands than Kelly,A prime combo set Kelly was Pretty sharp & fluid....

But I Also think Pacquiao boxing would offset and take Hamed Wide over 12....

Not to split hairs. I agree prime Kelley was very fast, but im not sure that he was still in his prime when he fought the Prince. He was def on the downhill run.

[Spicoli]

Im not saying the fight would go similar to the Kelley fight, i was using an example of how a goodish Southpaw like Kelley could counter Naz easily. And thats what Pacquiao would do because he has much quicker hands than Kelley, and he also has more power which would make him even more dangerous when countering.

Not to split hairs But I don't see Pac with quicker hands than Kelly,A prime combo set Kelly was Pretty sharp & fluid....

But I Also think Pacquiao boxing would offset and take Hamed Wide over 12....

Not to split hairs. I agree prime Kelley was very fast, but I'm not sure that he was still in his prime when he fought the Prince. He was def on the downhill run.

Yeh,Kelly was on the other side and fought not so smart vs. Hamed but he was At Peak a faster combo hitter than Pac.....To accommodate The ego's of Kelly & Hamed alone required an immense ring spread.....

[brucelee]

Not to split hairs But I don't see Pac with quicker hands than Kelly,A prime combo set Kelly was Pretty sharp & fluid....

But I Also think Pacquiao boxing would offset and take Hamed Wide over 12....

Not to split hairs. I agree prime Kelley was very fast, but I'm not sure that he was still in his prime when he fought the Prince. He was def on the downhill run.

Yeh,Kelly was on the other side and fought not so smart vs. Hamed but he was At Peak a faster combo hitter than Pac.....To accommodate The ego's of Kelly & Hamed alone required an immense ring spread.....

are you talking of Kelly who was knocked out by Espinosa? or was it Kevin Kelly? My memory is clouded right now. If that is the Kelly whom Espinosa KOed then definitely Naz won't win over Pac.

[Spicoli]

Not to split hairs. I agree prime Kelley was very fast, but I'm not sure that he was still in his prime when he fought the Prince. He was def on the downhill run.

Yeh,Kelly was on the other side and fought not so smart vs. Hamed but he was At Peak a faster combo hitter than Pac.....To accommodate The ego's of Kelly & Hamed alone required an immense ring spread.....

are you talking of Kelly who was knocked out by Espinosa? or was it Kevin Kelly? My memory is clouded right now. If that is the Kelly whom Espinosa KOed then definitely Naz won't win over Pac.

Kennedy McKinney got blitzed by Luisito Espinosa.....Kelly won a wide 12 Vs. The Sharpshooter Louie Espinoza....