Most complete fighter who gets all the ticks?

[bikersk]

Unfortunately he died too young but one of our nations greatest would have made it to this list i'm sure. He died in a truck accident near where i live. I only mention it because i've been doing a bit of reading about the old glory days of fighting in this country (Australia) and Dave Sands (Born David Ritchie) is always mentioned by reputable historians as one of the best they ever saw. [IMG]file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Steven/Desktop/nla.pic-vn3060828-v.jpg[/IMG] Digital Collections - Pictures - Dave Sands (left), 11 st. 7 3/4 lbs. v. Henry Brimm, 11 st. 5 1/2 lbs., at Rushcutter's Bay Stadium, 8 August 1950 [picture]
Here he is in action.

Heres some info on him. Dave Sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Scrap]

Les Darcy, is in a lot of peoples top five Middles of all time he died young

[BIG H]

Interesting stuff about SRR Donny, but whatever flaws he may have had, he did o.k IMO his defeats at Middle weren't anything to do with his 'flaws' they were more to do with the fact that he had already had about 100 fights (more than most 95% of fighters would have in their whole career) before he moved to Middle.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Interesting stuff about SRR Donny, but whatever flaws he may have had, he did o.k IMO his defeats at Middle weren't anything to do with his 'flaws' they were more to do with the fact that he had already had about 100 fights (more than most 95% of fighters would have in their whole career) before he moved to Middle.

Well factor in that he fought some very good fighters also.

[rjj tszyu]

People are going to try pulling me to bits over this but I think before moving back down from Heavyweight Roy Jones ticked all these boxes including chin. I think that the knockouts he suffered were due to him draining his body so badly he was going into these fights at only around 60% of his true potential and he was extremely weak. He fought some very good fighters earlier in his career such as Toney, Hopkins, Virgil Hill and Mike McCallum and these caught him with better shots than the ones that Tarver and Johnson caught him with and they didnt even rock him. I think the only other thing on the list that people may argue is the heart of Jones because he was never in any tear up wars where he had to come from behind but that wasn't his fault he was just too good for his own good!

[ICB]

People are going to try pulling me to bits over this but I think before moving back down from Heavyweight Roy Jones ticked all these boxes including chin. I think that the knockouts he suffered were due to him draining his body so badly he was going into these fights at only around 60% of his true potential and he was extremely weak. He fought some very good fighters earlier in his career such as Toney, Hopkins, Virgil Hill and Mike McCallum and these caught him with better shots than the ones that Tarver and Johnson caught him with and they didnt even rock him. I think the only other thing on the list that people may argue is the heart of Jones because he was never in any tear up wars where he had to come from behind but that wasn't his fault he was just too good for his own good!

Im big fan of Roy Jones Jr but Toney, Hopkins, Hill, McCallum, never landed any big shots on Jones's chin. Toney was kept on the outside all night and never landed a telling blow, Hopkins landed few decent right hands here and there but not many. Hill landed a good shot on Jones when ?? McCallum mostly landed to the body i don't remember him landing any good shots on Jones's chin. Im not saying Jones didn't have a better chin before draining himself, but IMO even though all those fighters you mentioned are great fighters none of them ever landed a good shot on Jones, but i think that just shows how good Jones was in his prime that even great fighter's coundn't touch him.

[rjj tszyu]

People are going to try pulling me to bits over this but I think before moving back down from Heavyweight Roy Jones ticked all these boxes including chin. I think that the knockouts he suffered were due to him draining his body so badly he was going into these fights at only around 60% of his true potential and he was extremely weak. He fought some very good fighters earlier in his career such as Toney, Hopkins, Virgil Hill and Mike McCallum and these caught him with better shots than the ones that Tarver and Johnson caught him with and they didnt even rock him. I think the only other thing on the list that people may argue is the heart of Jones because he was never in any tear up wars where he had to come from behind but that wasn't his fault he was just too good for his own good!

Im big fan of Roy Jones Jr but Toney, Hopkins, Hill, McCallum, never landed any big shots on Jones's chin. Toney was kept on the outside all night and never landed a telling blow, Hopkins landed few decent right hands here and there but not many. Hill landed a good shot on Jones when ?? McCallum mostly landed to the body i don't remember him landing any good shots on Jones's chin. Im not saying Jones didn't have a better chin before draining himself, but IMO even though all those fighters you mentioned are great fighters none of them ever landed a good shot on Jones, but i think that just shows how good Jones was in his prime that even great fighter's coundn't touch him.

I'm not saying that they gave him serious knockout blows but they all caught him as cleanly if not cleaner than the shots that finished him against Tarver and Johnson. Also the knockdown against Lou del Valle he suffered was a shot that was much cleaner than them.