Is Hatton-Malignaggi fight already signed?

[Fenster]

So what you're saying is that it is more significant to the 140lb division for the leading fighter to fight a blown up super featherweight than it is to fight a champion of the division?

Hatton is the CHAMPION of the division. Hatton is the MAN of the division. Powderpuff is a toilet belt holding challenger.

Pac is not just a "blown up superfeather." Pac is a boxing GREAT.

What i'm saying is - it's more significant for Hatton (star) and Pac (great, star) to fight than Hatton (star) and Powderpuff (dodgy hairdo, decent champ).

Again.. say Hatton beats both. When assessing Hatton's career what order will the wins be ranked in?

Powderpuff above Pac? Only by the deluded.

So your going to claim that should Hatton fight and beat Pac, that people will not come out and say that Pac was too small?

Or of course if Pac beats Hatton, people will not say Hatton got beat by a fighter that won the Superfeather on a MD earlier this year

Being great does not make size irrelevant.
Floyd Mayweather Junior is a great, but it doesn't mean he could win a Lightheavyweight title.

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that SD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT, whatever the weight )

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hatton is the CHAMPION of the division. Hatton is the MAN of the division. Powderpuff is a toilet belt holding challenger.

Pac is not just a "blown up superfeather." Pac is a boxing GREAT.

What i'm saying is - it's more significant for Hatton (star) and Pac (great, star) to fight than Hatton (star) and Powderpuff (dodgy hairdo, decent champ).

Again.. say Hatton beats both. When assessing Hatton's career what order will the wins be ranked in?

Powderpuff above Pac? Only by the deluded.

So your going to claim that should Hatton fight and beat Pac, that people will not come out and say that Pac was too small?

Or of course if Pac beats Hatton, people will not say Hatton got beat by a fighter that won the Superfeather on a MD earlier this year

Being great does not make size irrelevant.
Floyd Mayweather Junior is a great, but it doesn't mean he could win a Lightheavyweight title.

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that MD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT )

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley, tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

[Fenster]

So your going to claim that should Hatton fight and beat Pac, that people will not come out and say that Pac was too small?

Or of course if Pac beats Hatton, people will not say Hatton got beat by a fighter that won the Superfeather on a MD earlier this year

Being great does not make size irrelevant.
Floyd Mayweather Junior is a great, but it doesn't mean he could win a Lightheavyweight title.

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that MD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT )

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley, tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that MD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT )

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley, tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

[Fenster]

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights ,Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley are nobodies compared with Pac.

Did it hurt Hopkins career that his two STAR wins were against welterweights? Tito and Oscar MADE him

[donnydarkoIRL]

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley are nobodies compared with Pac.

Did it hurt Hopkins career that his two STAR wins were against welterweights? Tito and Oscar MADE him

Tito and Oscar were two very tall Welters.
Their bodies could both handle the Middleweight division.
(With Tito now fighting at 168 and Oscar walking around daily at 160.)
They were true Middleweights by the time they faced Hopkins.

In addition both Oscar and Tito had their successes in the Middleweight division before fighting Hopkins.
Tito's win over Joppy and Oscar's shady victory overSturm had proved they could hang at the weight and as such they had introduced themselves to the Middleweight ranks.

[Fenster]

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley are nobodies compared with Pac.

Did it hurt Hopkins career that his two STAR wins were against welterweights? Tito and Oscar MADE him

Tito and Oscar were two very tall Welters.
Their bodies could both handle the Middleweight division.
(With Tito now fighting at 168 and Oscar walking around daily at 160.)
They were true Middleweights by the time they faced Hopkins.

In addition both Oscar and Tito had their successes in the Middleweight division before fighting Hopkins.
Tito's win over Joppy and Oscar's shady victory overSturm had proved they could hang at the weight and as such they had introduced themselves to the Middleweight ranks.

Fair point. But I believe Pac is taller and has a longer reach than Hatton. He is hardly going to look dwarfed now, is he

Just look at the interest a Pac-Hatton fight has generated since his emphatic win over Diaz. So much so that the MAJORITY are calling for it NOW. It shows Powderpuff-Hatton is such a big fight that step aside money was predicted so Powderpuff would get lost.

[bcollins]

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that SD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT, whatever the weight )

If Hatton gets through Pac, it would be regarded as one of his best wins - but it would always come with the tag, kind of like the asterix with Maris' 61*.

I still think it would be a solid, competitive fight - I bet we'll see it soon enough. Pacquiao probably wouldn't be remiss in taking another fight at 135 or even 140 to continue adjusting to the weight.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hatton can proudly say that he only lost to the no. 1 boxers in the world while I can't visualize him saying a word if ever he got beaten by a guy with weird hairdo...

As I mentioned in an earlier posting,
greatness or indeed the mantle of pound for pound no.1 fighter in the world does not make size irrelevant.

When Pacquiao gets in the ring with Ricky, he will be a much smaller man.
If his skills are sufficient to compensate for the size disadvantage then he truely deserves his moniker.

But in saying that if Ricky loses then it is a great shame on him.

As I've said earlier, losing to the no. 1 P4P boxer in the world is no shame at all. It will be shameful if the one knocking you down is the ring post.

Right I'm going to simplify this as your not getting my point.

Pac = Natural superfeatherweight.
Ricky= Natural Light Welter

With Ricky's size advantage he should be more than capable of beating the best Superfeatherweight in the world.

Beacuse you are good pound for pound DOES NOT MEAN THAT SIZE DOES NOT MATTER.

[XaduBoxer]

As I mentioned in an earlier posting,
greatness or indeed the mantle of pound for pound no.1 fighter in the world does not make size irrelevant.

When Pacquiao gets in the ring with Ricky, he will be a much smaller man.
If his skills are sufficient to compensate for the size disadvantage then he truely deserves his moniker.

But in saying that if Ricky loses then it is a great shame on him.

As I've said earlier, losing to the no. 1 P4P boxer in the world is no shame at all. It will be shameful if the one knocking you down is the ring post.

Right I'm going to simplify this as your not getting my point.

Pac = Natural superfeatherweight.
Ricky= Natural Light Welter

With Ricky's size advantage he should be more than capable of beating the best Superfeatherweight in the world.

Beacuse you are good pound for pound DOES NOT MEAN THAT SIZE DOES NOT MATTER.

Of course size (or weight) does matters, that's why boxing has weight classes. No one will support or sanctioned a fight if the other guy has tremendous size (or weight) advantage but many supported a Hatton-PAC fight so it means it is basically a fair fight and within the range of the weight class they will be fighting.

PAC already outgrown the super featherweight division and he's now considered a lightweight.