Is Hatton-Malignaggi fight already signed?

[ICB]

As I mentioned earlier I feel that a win over Pacquiao would be denigrated as a win over a ntuarally smaller man.

A win over Malignaggi, particularily a stoppage victory historically would be more highly regarded as a good win, given Malignaggis record.

Nobody applauds Joey Maxim for beating SRR, saying he just tired out the smaller man, see what I'm getting at?

Joey Maxim doesn't get more credit for beating SRR because SRR was clearly winning the fight until SRR quit because of heat prostration which you can die from, im not saying Maxim wasn't under the same heat. but some humans can handle the heat better than others. Thats totally different from Pacquiao to Hatton plus Maxim weighed 17 more pounds than SRR.

Wandering into dangerous territory here, but those people that handle the heat better would be black people.

Put in some effort, you've given no point as to why Pac vs. Hatton is a better fight apart from it being more exciting.

Go back and read the thread.

I and Ice have made it perfectly CLEAR why Pac is a far more significant fight than Powderpuff.

Is Powderpuff a top 10 P4P fighter? Has Powderpuff EVER been a top 10 P4P fighter?

He is NOTHING more than a belt holder at 140. He's not undisputed champ. He doesn't have ONE significant WIN to his name. Hatton beats him it ranks alongside his wins over Maussa, Collazo (not as good) and Urango.

Pac is a boxing GREAT. Enough said.

Oh how different the story is now.

When Junior Witter was a belt holder, he deserved his shot.
Yet Junior was never pound for pound was he?
What significant win had Witter?

Yet you yourself demanded the fight must happen.

Malignaggi is different why?

Thats the fight the fans wanted to see at that time because Witter had been caling Hatton out for years so people wanted to see Hatton get rid of the critics and fight his nemesis. Now Witter lost to a mediocre opponent that fight is no longer an interest.

As for your statement regarding the heat Donny i have never heard of that, all i know is that Robinson could of died from heat prostration, and he clearly was winning the fight until that happened, plus Maxim had a massive weight advantage thats why Maxim doesn't as much credit as you think he does deserve.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Joey Maxim doesn't get more credit for beating SRR because SRR was clearly winning the fight until SRR quit because of heat prostration which you can die from, im not saying Maxim wasn't under the same heat. but some humans can handle the heat better than others. Thats totally different from Pacquiao to Hatton plus Maxim weighed 17 more pounds than SRR.

Wandering into dangerous territory here, but those people that handle the heat better would be black people.

Go back and read the thread.

I and Ice have made it perfectly CLEAR why Pac is a far more significant fight than Powderpuff.

Is Powderpuff a top 10 P4P fighter? Has Powderpuff EVER been a top 10 P4P fighter?

He is NOTHING more than a belt holder at 140. He's not undisputed champ. He doesn't have ONE significant WIN to his name. Hatton beats him it ranks alongside his wins over Maussa, Collazo (not as good) and Urango.

Pac is a boxing GREAT. Enough said.

Oh how different the story is now.

When Junior Witter was a belt holder, he deserved his shot.
Yet Junior was never pound for pound was he?
What significant win had Witter?

Yet you yourself demanded the fight must happen.

Malignaggi is different why?

So you wanna change the subject now?

I have NO problem with Hatton fighting Powderpuff. YOU claimed it was a more SIGNIFICANT fight than Hatton-Pac.

Which is clearly RUBBISH.

So what you're saying is that it is more significant to the 140lb division for the leading fighter to fight a blown up super featherweight than it is to fight a champion of the division?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Joey Maxim doesn't get more credit for beating SRR because SRR was clearly winning the fight until SRR quit because of heat prostration which you can die from, im not saying Maxim wasn't under the same heat. but some humans can handle the heat better than others. Thats totally different from Pacquiao to Hatton plus Maxim weighed 17 more pounds than SRR.

Wandering into dangerous territory here, but those people that handle the heat better would be black people.

Go back and read the thread.

I and Ice have made it perfectly CLEAR why Pac is a far more significant fight than Powderpuff.

Is Powderpuff a top 10 P4P fighter? Has Powderpuff EVER been a top 10 P4P fighter?

He is NOTHING more than a belt holder at 140. He's not undisputed champ. He doesn't have ONE significant WIN to his name. Hatton beats him it ranks alongside his wins over Maussa, Collazo (not as good) and Urango.

Pac is a boxing GREAT. Enough said.

Oh how different the story is now.

When Junior Witter was a belt holder, he deserved his shot.
Yet Junior was never pound for pound was he?
What significant win had Witter?

Yet you yourself demanded the fight must happen.

Malignaggi is different why?

Thats the fight the fans wanted to see at that time because Witter had been caling Hatton out for years so people wanted to see Hatton get rid of the critics and fight his nemesis. Now Witter lost to a mediocre opponent that fight is no longer an interest.

As for your statement regarding the heat Donny i have never heard of that, all i know is that Robinson could of died from heat prostration, and he clearly was winning the fight until that happened, plus Maxim had a massive weight advantage thats why Maxim doesn't as much credit as you think he does deserve.

ICE with all due respect, I don't know many that actually want to see Witter fight.
They wanted to see Hatton fight the leading LWW.
Right now that Malignaggi.

Funnily enough I don't actually like Maxim. He was trained by Jack Johnson for a while so I tried to like him, but I just can't.
I feel the reason that Robinson tied so badly was because of the vlume of work he invested in the fight and the punishment he administered.
Maxim took it all in his stride (because of size) and would have stopped Robinson if the fight had gone on.

[Fenster]

Wandering into dangerous territory here, but those people that handle the heat better would be black people.



Oh how different the story is now.

When Junior Witter was a belt holder, he deserved his shot.
Yet Junior was never pound for pound was he?
What significant win had Witter?

Yet you yourself demanded the fight must happen.

Malignaggi is different why?

So you wanna change the subject now?

I have NO problem with Hatton fighting Powderpuff. YOU claimed it was a more SIGNIFICANT fight than Hatton-Pac.

Which is clearly RUBBISH.

So what you're saying is that it is more significant to the 140lb division for the leading fighter to fight a blown up super featherweight than it is to fight a champion of the division?

Hatton is the CHAMPION of the division. Hatton is the MAN of the division. Powderpuff is a toilet belt holding challenger.

Pac is not just a "blown up superfeather." Pac is a boxing GREAT.

What i'm saying is - it's more significant for Hatton (star) and Pac (great, star) to fight than Hatton (star) and Powderpuff (dodgy hairdo, decent champ).

Again.. say Hatton beats both. When assessing Hatton's career what order will the wins be ranked in?

Powderpuff above Pac? Only by the deluded.

[HattonTheHammer]

Joey Maxim doesn't get more credit for beating SRR because SRR was clearly winning the fight until SRR quit because of heat prostration which you can die from, im not saying Maxim wasn't under the same heat. but some humans can handle the heat better than others. Thats totally different from Pacquiao to Hatton plus Maxim weighed 17 more pounds than SRR.

Wandering into dangerous territory here, but those people that handle the heat better would be black people.

Go back and read the thread.

I and Ice have made it perfectly CLEAR why Pac is a far more significant fight than Powderpuff.

Is Powderpuff a top 10 P4P fighter? Has Powderpuff EVER been a top 10 P4P fighter?

He is NOTHING more than a belt holder at 140. He's not undisputed champ. He doesn't have ONE significant WIN to his name. Hatton beats him it ranks alongside his wins over Maussa, Collazo (not as good) and Urango.

Pac is a boxing GREAT. Enough said.

Oh how different the story is now.

When Junior Witter was a belt holder, he deserved his shot.
Yet Junior was never pound for pound was he?
What significant win had Witter?

Yet you yourself demanded the fight must happen.

Malignaggi is different why?

Thats the fight the fans wanted to see at that time because Witter had been caling Hatton out for years so people wanted to see Hatton get rid of the critics and fight his nemesis. Now Witter lost to a mediocre opponent that fight is no longer an interest.

As for your statement regarding the heat Donny i have never heard of that, all i know is that Robinson could of died from heat prostration, and he clearly was winning the fight until that happened, plus Maxim had a massive weight advantage thats why Maxim doesn't as much credit as you think he does deserve.

Annoys me how the people who claimed ricky was dodging witter all of a sudden seemed to vanish after the bradley fight.

Hatton loathes witter and would of liked nothing more than to of knocked him into next week. But hatton was also a realist and realised win,lose or draw, junior would be getting the pay off of his life and it would open up doors to a man who before hand never deserved it.

I never judged witter solely on the performance to judah as it was a tough fight to take and much closer than the 118-110 that got scored. But what we have always seen with junior is a guy that has made his name off of being as awkward as possible and almost if you like a glorified spoiler hence the reason why america dodged him for so many years and not juniors claim that it was because he was black.

[donnydarkoIRL]

So you wanna change the subject now?

I have NO problem with Hatton fighting Powderpuff. YOU claimed it was a more SIGNIFICANT fight than Hatton-Pac.

Which is clearly RUBBISH.

So what you're saying is that it is more significant to the 140lb division for the leading fighter to fight a blown up super featherweight than it is to fight a champion of the division?

Hatton is the CHAMPION of the division. Hatton is the MAN of the division. Powderpuff is a toilet belt holding challenger.

Pac is not just a "blown up superfeather." Pac is a boxing GREAT.

What i'm saying is - it's more significant for Hatton (star) and Pac (great, star) to fight than Hatton (star) and Powderpuff (dodgy hairdo, decent champ).

Again.. say Hatton beats both. When assessing Hatton's career what order will the wins be ranked in?

Powderpuff above Pac? Only by the deluded.

So your going to claim that should Hatton fight and beat Pac, that people will not come out and say that Pac was too small?

Or of course if Pac beats Hatton, people will not say Hatton got beat by a fighter that won the Superfeather on a MD earlier this year

Being great does not make size irrelevant.
Floyd Mayweather Junior is a great, but it doesn't mean he could win a Lightheavyweight title.

[Fenster]

So what you're saying is that it is more significant to the 140lb division for the leading fighter to fight a blown up super featherweight than it is to fight a champion of the division?

Hatton is the CHAMPION of the division. Hatton is the MAN of the division. Powderpuff is a toilet belt holding challenger.

Pac is not just a "blown up superfeather." Pac is a boxing GREAT.

What i'm saying is - it's more significant for Hatton (star) and Pac (great, star) to fight than Hatton (star) and Powderpuff (dodgy hairdo, decent champ).

Again.. say Hatton beats both. When assessing Hatton's career what order will the wins be ranked in?

Powderpuff above Pac? Only by the deluded.

So your going to claim that should Hatton fight and beat Pac, that people will not come out and say that Pac was too small?

Or of course if Pac beats Hatton, people will not say Hatton got beat by a fighter that won the Superfeather on a MD earlier this year

Being great does not make size irrelevant.
Floyd Mayweather Junior is a great, but it doesn't mean he could win a Lightheavyweight title.

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that SD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT, whatever the weight )

[donnydarkoIRL]

Hatton is the CHAMPION of the division. Hatton is the MAN of the division. Powderpuff is a toilet belt holding challenger.

Pac is not just a "blown up superfeather." Pac is a boxing GREAT.

What i'm saying is - it's more significant for Hatton (star) and Pac (great, star) to fight than Hatton (star) and Powderpuff (dodgy hairdo, decent champ).

Again.. say Hatton beats both. When assessing Hatton's career what order will the wins be ranked in?

Powderpuff above Pac? Only by the deluded.

So your going to claim that should Hatton fight and beat Pac, that people will not come out and say that Pac was too small?

Or of course if Pac beats Hatton, people will not say Hatton got beat by a fighter that won the Superfeather on a MD earlier this year

Being great does not make size irrelevant.
Floyd Mayweather Junior is a great, but it doesn't mean he could win a Lightheavyweight title.

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that MD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT )

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley, tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

[Fenster]

So your going to claim that should Hatton fight and beat Pac, that people will not come out and say that Pac was too small?

Or of course if Pac beats Hatton, people will not say Hatton got beat by a fighter that won the Superfeather on a MD earlier this year

Being great does not make size irrelevant.
Floyd Mayweather Junior is a great, but it doesn't mean he could win a Lightheavyweight title.

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that MD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT )

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley, tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Of course people will say Pac was small. Pac moving up in weight has a ready made excuse should he lose, and should he win the Hatton haters will undoubtedly have a field day.

BUT.. that's irrelevant to this little debate. In history Pac will still go down as Hatton's BEST win alongside Tszyu. Pac-Hatton will be a GREAT event/fight. And prove to be FAR more significant than Powderpuff-Hatton will EVER be

(by the way, Pac won that MD against a fellow GREAT fighter JMM. It is hardly a shame to BEAT a GREAT )

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley, tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

[XaduBoxer]

Hatton's new vulnerability to punches certainly makes this fight more ridky for him, but I believe he could pull it out of the bag, by drawing Torres past the 6th. Torres has always had stamina problems and is reduced to a Urango like fighter after his initial onslaught.

But it would be very exciting. I'd also say that Bradley has brought something new to the division. Win or lose he will force fights and create excitment.

I'd give him great credit if he could stop Paulie. I would see that as a great feat and a bright feather in the cap of any fighter given the struggle posed by Malignaggi against Cotto.

Just a question for you here Donny you said you see Hatton vs Paulie as the more significant fight, but do you think majority of boxing fans will see it that way ?? because i very much doubt it. I can guarantee you if Hatton beat P4P number 1 boxing star Manny Pacquiao he would get tons more credit than he would against the joker Paulie as he is known as now. And i would certainly praise Hatton if he beat Pacquiao, certainly much more than if he beat the feather fisted joker Paulie just my two cents here Donny.

As I mentioned earlier I feel that a win over Pacquiao would be denigrated as a win over a ntuarally smaller man.

A win over Malignaggi, particularily a stoppage victory historically would be more highly regarded as a good win, given Malignaggis record.

Nobody applauds Joey Maxim for beating SRR, saying he just tired out the smaller man, see what I'm getting at?

You're only considering if Hatton wins, how about if Hatton loses (which is not a remote possibility on both fights)?

Which one is more degrading, a member of the 80s boy band beating Hatton or the no. 1 P4P boxer beating Hatton?

I think there's no shame being beaten by the no. 1 P4P boxer in the world...

[donnydarkoIRL]

Just a question for you here Donny you said you see Hatton vs Paulie as the more significant fight, but do you think majority of boxing fans will see it that way ?? because i very much doubt it. I can guarantee you if Hatton beat P4P number 1 boxing star Manny Pacquiao he would get tons more credit than he would against the joker Paulie as he is known as now. And i would certainly praise Hatton if he beat Pacquiao, certainly much more than if he beat the feather fisted joker Paulie just my two cents here Donny.

As I mentioned earlier I feel that a win over Pacquiao would be denigrated as a win over a ntuarally smaller man.

A win over Malignaggi, particularily a stoppage victory historically would be more highly regarded as a good win, given Malignaggis record.

Nobody applauds Joey Maxim for beating SRR, saying he just tired out the smaller man, see what I'm getting at?

You're only considering if Hatton wins, how about if Hatton loses (which is not a remote possibility on both fights)?

Which one is more degrading, a member of the 80s boy band beating Hatton or the no. 1 P4P boxer beating Hatton?

I think there's no shame being beaten by the no. 1 P4P boxer in the world...

I have fully considered the possibility of Hatton losing. Read over my posts again.

But Hatton would be disgraced being beaten by a fighter coming up from a much lower weight class.

[Fenster]

You have two conflicting points in your post.
On the one hand you say that people will criticise Hatton's win saying Pac is too small and on the other you say that it will be recognised as Hatton's best win?

If the people think that Pac is too small for him then how will it be regarded as a great win?


I thinkmthat Hatton would be far better served legacy wise clearing the board of other LWW's. If he has 3more fights ,Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley tehn he would be recognised as a graet LWW himself.
Then by all means cash in with a marquee fight.

But you know as well as I do, this fight was only ever conceived because of the potential profitability of such an event.

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley are nobodies compared with Pac.

Did it hurt Hopkins career that his two STAR wins were against welterweights? Tito and Oscar MADE him

[donnydarkoIRL]

Because people REMEMBER star fights between great fighters.

I'm not talking about internet boxing anoraks/nerds. People that hate Hatton (or any fighter) will critisise him whatever he does.

When looking at Hatton's career do you think people will say his best wins were - "Tsyzu, urango, Collazo, Powderpuff, Castillo, Tackie, .. oh.. and that little guy, whatshisname, Pacman"

Of course not, he'll be ranked alongside Kostya.

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley are nobodies compared with Pac.

Did it hurt Hopkins career that his two STAR wins were against welterweights? Tito and Oscar MADE him

Tito and Oscar were two very tall Welters.
Their bodies could both handle the Middleweight division.
(With Tito now fighting at 168 and Oscar walking around daily at 160.)
They were true Middleweights by the time they faced Hopkins.

In addition both Oscar and Tito had their successes in the Middleweight division before fighting Hopkins.
Tito's win over Joppy and Oscar's shady victory overSturm had proved they could hang at the weight and as such they had introduced themselves to the Middleweight ranks.

[Fenster]

I can completely understand the concept of name recognition, but you must realise, Pacquiao is famous for his achievements and accolades at much lower weights.
Even the fans with a vague interest realise that.

Hatton's status is almost affirmed. The boxing public know where they rank him, NO.1 at Lww but outside the P4P top 10.
I cannot see a win over a smaller opponent elevating this status, where as I can see wins over Malignaggi, Torres and/or Bradley contributing to his case.

Where as a showdown with Pac and a win, would provide enough financial merit for a retirement, without proving all that much, except that he can beat up a smaller man.

Malignaggi, Torres and Bradlley are nobodies compared with Pac.

Did it hurt Hopkins career that his two STAR wins were against welterweights? Tito and Oscar MADE him

Tito and Oscar were two very tall Welters.
Their bodies could both handle the Middleweight division.
(With Tito now fighting at 168 and Oscar walking around daily at 160.)
They were true Middleweights by the time they faced Hopkins.

In addition both Oscar and Tito had their successes in the Middleweight division before fighting Hopkins.
Tito's win over Joppy and Oscar's shady victory overSturm had proved they could hang at the weight and as such they had introduced themselves to the Middleweight ranks.

Fair point. But I believe Pac is taller and has a longer reach than Hatton. He is hardly going to look dwarfed now, is he

Just look at the interest a Pac-Hatton fight has generated since his emphatic win over Diaz. So much so that the MAJORITY are calling for it NOW. It shows Powderpuff-Hatton is such a big fight that step aside money was predicted so Powderpuff would get lost.