Something has to be done !!!!!

[JohnnyKickAss]

You have to differentiate between the german boxing stables...The most shit happens at Sauerland events...The last time something shoddy happened at Universum Box Promotion(which is btw the biggest boxingstable in europe...)was during the Krasniqi/Brewster fight and that was 3 years ago...Its not like these things doesn't happen in the US or Britain or anywhere else...Now sadly with Arena Promotions(Oehners stabel...)there is another bad apple,but Oehner promotes fights in the US, in Germany, in Spain, in Turkey and I don't know where...he just happened to found his stable in Germany,I doubt that he would behave differently if he had founded it in e.g. the US...

Also, Williams-Airich was in Spain, while Sam-Vidoz was in Turkey.

I don't know if there has been any controversies at Oehner's Germany-staged cards? Johnny?

Can't say...he had a contract with german PPV which run out...haven't seen fights staged in Germany so far...

[Markusdarkus]

Something has to be done about Promoter Ahmet Oner, from Arena in Germany he is getting away with murder and is bringing the sport down.

He mainly came to notice the other week during the Danny Williams v Konstantin Airich, his performance only marginally overshadowed by the worst referee I have ever seen.

He -

1. Was in the corner every round despite not being listed as a second
2. Rang the bell half way through a round when his fighter was on the verge of being stopped
3. Took the towel from the seconds hand and threw it in the ring to end the fight.

Tonight once again he was up to his tricks again in the fight between Samil Sam and Vidoz, he again was in the corner every round shouting through the ropes or standing in the corner issuing orders.

Then before the scores had been announced he was down checking the judges scorecards, then after obviously disagreeing with them he had a stand up argument with a certain judge, slamming his fist on the desk and pointing at the judges card and arguing about the scoring of certain rounds. The arguments continued and were heated enough for both fighters to know the score before it was announced.

He seems to be a law to his own and thinks he can get away with what he wants, the authorities have to do something he is getting worse with every show.

Yer he is a complete prick tbh but thats always been German boxing.

At least we can say Danny Williams went over there and destroyed Germanys biggest two talents!

[jmbtandy]

Something has to be done about Promoter Ahmet Oner, from Arena in Germany he is getting away with murder and is bringing the sport down.

He mainly came to notice the other week during the Danny Williams v Konstantin Airich, his performance only marginally overshadowed by the worst referee I have ever seen.

He -

1. Was in the corner every round despite not being listed as a second
2. Rang the bell half way through a round when his fighter was on the verge of being stopped
3. Took the towel from the seconds hand and threw it in the ring to end the fight.

Tonight once again he was up to his tricks again in the fight between Samil Sam and Vidoz, he again was in the corner every round shouting through the ropes or standing in the corner issuing orders.

Then before the scores had been announced he was down checking the judges scorecards, then after obviously disagreeing with them he had a stand up argument with a certain judge, slamming his fist on the desk and pointing at the judges card and arguing about the scoring of certain rounds. The arguments continued and were heated enough for both fighters to know the score before it was announced.

He seems to be a law to his own and thinks he can get away with what he wants, the authorities have to do something he is getting worse with every show.

Yer he is a complete prick tbh but thats always been German boxing.

At least we can say Danny Williams went over there and destroyed Germanys biggest two talents!

German boxing has always carried a black cloud, but this guy is different, the antics he has been getting up to are a disgrace, he thinks because he is the promoter he is reffing, judging and running the show, the arguments with the judges was a joke, what is the promoter doing even looking at the judges scorecards, any fighter who goes over to an Arena promotion show, do so with extreme caution.

Also am interested who are the two talents you are talking about ??

Danny has only fought outside the UK a few times, and the ones of any significance are the Loss to Samil Sam, the N/C to Platov in Switzerland (Which he should have won) and the recent win over Konstantin Airich who was 8-0 but taking a massive risk in fighting Williams, am I missing something

[JohnnyKickAss]

Something has to be done about Promoter Ahmet Oner, from Arena in Germany he is getting away with murder and is bringing the sport down.

He mainly came to notice the other week during the Danny Williams v Konstantin Airich, his performance only marginally overshadowed by the worst referee I have ever seen.

He -

1. Was in the corner every round despite not being listed as a second
2. Rang the bell half way through a round when his fighter was on the verge of being stopped
3. Took the towel from the seconds hand and threw it in the ring to end the fight.

Tonight once again he was up to his tricks again in the fight between Samil Sam and Vidoz, he again was in the corner every round shouting through the ropes or standing in the corner issuing orders.

Then before the scores had been announced he was down checking the judges scorecards, then after obviously disagreeing with them he had a stand up argument with a certain judge, slamming his fist on the desk and pointing at the judges card and arguing about the scoring of certain rounds. The arguments continued and were heated enough for both fighters to know the score before it was announced.

He seems to be a law to his own and thinks he can get away with what he wants, the authorities have to do something he is getting worse with every show.

Yer he is a complete prick tbh but thats always been German boxing.

At least we can say Danny Williams went over there and destroyed Germanys biggest two talents!

I can write my ass off giving more or less good points why it ain't so...but there will be always idiots like you coming along stating unfounded crap...so why bother...

[jmbtandy]

Something has to be done about Promoter Ahmet Oner, from Arena in Germany he is getting away with murder and is bringing the sport down.

He mainly came to notice the other week during the Danny Williams v Konstantin Airich, his performance only marginally overshadowed by the worst referee I have ever seen.

He -

1. Was in the corner every round despite not being listed as a second
2. Rang the bell half way through a round when his fighter was on the verge of being stopped
3. Took the towel from the seconds hand and threw it in the ring to end the fight.

Tonight once again he was up to his tricks again in the fight between Samil Sam and Vidoz, he again was in the corner every round shouting through the ropes or standing in the corner issuing orders.

Then before the scores had been announced he was down checking the judges scorecards, then after obviously disagreeing with them he had a stand up argument with a certain judge, slamming his fist on the desk and pointing at the judges card and arguing about the scoring of certain rounds. The arguments continued and were heated enough for both fighters to know the score before it was announced.

He seems to be a law to his own and thinks he can get away with what he wants, the authorities have to do something he is getting worse with every show.

Yer he is a complete prick tbh but thats always been German boxing.

At least we can say Danny Williams went over there and destroyed Germanys biggest two talents!

I can write my ass off giving more or less good points why it ain't so...but there will be always idiots like you coming along stating unfounded crap...so why bother...

Kind of the point of a forum isn't it, not sure the threads would last long if nobody could be arsed to write anything ha ha

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

It's the German comission who needs to tighten up their balls.

It's no wonder why certain fighters don't like to leave their homelands...

With shitty people like Oner who would want to fight one of his fighters?

Ruiz straight up told me he never wants to fight in Germany again...

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Something has to be done about Promoter Ahmet Oner, from Arena in Germany he is getting away with murder and is bringing the sport down.

He mainly came to notice the other week during the Danny Williams v Konstantin Airich, his performance only marginally overshadowed by the worst referee I have ever seen.

He -

1. Was in the corner every round despite not being listed as a second
2. Rang the bell half way through a round when his fighter was on the verge of being stopped
3. Took the towel from the seconds hand and threw it in the ring to end the fight.

Tonight once again he was up to his tricks again in the fight between Samil Sam and Vidoz, he again was in the corner every round shouting through the ropes or standing in the corner issuing orders.

Then before the scores had been announced he was down checking the judges scorecards, then after obviously disagreeing with them he had a stand up argument with a certain judge, slamming his fist on the desk and pointing at the judges card and arguing about the scoring of certain rounds. The arguments continued and were heated enough for both fighters to know the score before it was announced.

He seems to be a law to his own and thinks he can get away with what he wants, the authorities have to do something he is getting worse with every show.

Yer he is a complete prick tbh but thats always been German boxing.

At least we can say Danny Williams went over there and destroyed Germanys biggest two talents!

I can write my ass off giving more or less good points why it ain't so...but there will be always idiots like you coming along stating unfounded crap...so why bother...

I feel the same way about many other subjects but I digress...

I have to say that I don't necessarily agree with his statement above as it was said in quite the bold manner... But I think there are shades of truth to it.

I don't think that German Boxing is the problem per say... I think(as Mick said) it's the commision that needs to straighten this shit out... It's rather rediculous and I actually HAVE seen this tool mascarading around like he owns the fuckin joint... Seriously... Ringing the bell? He should have been escorted out and fined.

As far as What was said above, the reason I say this holds a little truth is the fact that I have heard on countless occasions that fighters won't go back to Germany to fight(I love this cuz if the money's right most would fight on the moon)

I personally think that these problems with scoring, judges, whack ass promoters, and gift decisions could all be stemmed by a good commision which Germany(alone with many other places) is lacking.

[JohnnyKickAss]

Well...so far there has been alot of Germany talk,but lets not forget that the two fight in question weren't even held in Germany and that the promoter in question is a Turk...

And remember that Germany after the US has probably the biggest boxing market right now...so people look in the past where there have been some shady decisions in a small developing market...and pounce on even the slightest fault or are biased enough to see faults where none exist these days...and totally oversee the majority of good decisions...

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Well...so far there has been alot of Germany talk,but lets not forget that the two fight in question weren't even held in Germany and that the promoter in question is a Turk...

And remember that Germany after the US has probably the biggest boxing market right now...so people look in the past where there have been some shady decisions in a small developing market...and pounce on even the slightest fault or are biased enough to see faults where none exist these days...and totally oversee the majority of good decisions...

Understood and good points. I was actually being very broad and not just pointing out those two fights but I get your point.

I also agree with faults overshadowing the vast majority of good decisions but it's kind of human nature... Not to long ago Joe Cortez was thought of as one of the best in the game... Try to pass that off now.

All I'm saying is that with more and more "money" fighters(what I mean by that is that the money is in the heavier weights and most of these guys are no longer American, but European) becoming more dominant outside the US more title fights are taking place outside of the US... Namely Germany due to champions rightly wanting to fight in their backyard. This is precisely why they need a tight commision.


Anyway, good points and I see exactly what you're saying.

[Markusdarkus]

Something has to be done about Promoter Ahmet Oner, from Arena in Germany he is getting away with murder and is bringing the sport down.

He mainly came to notice the other week during the Danny Williams v Konstantin Airich, his performance only marginally overshadowed by the worst referee I have ever seen.

He -

1. Was in the corner every round despite not being listed as a second
2. Rang the bell half way through a round when his fighter was on the verge of being stopped
3. Took the towel from the seconds hand and threw it in the ring to end the fight.

Tonight once again he was up to his tricks again in the fight between Samil Sam and Vidoz, he again was in the corner every round shouting through the ropes or standing in the corner issuing orders.

Then before the scores had been announced he was down checking the judges scorecards, then after obviously disagreeing with them he had a stand up argument with a certain judge, slamming his fist on the desk and pointing at the judges card and arguing about the scoring of certain rounds. The arguments continued and were heated enough for both fighters to know the score before it was announced.

He seems to be a law to his own and thinks he can get away with what he wants, the authorities have to do something he is getting worse with every show.

Yer he is a complete prick tbh but thats always been German boxing.

At least we can say Danny Williams went over there and destroyed Germanys biggest two talents!

German boxing has always carried a black cloud, but this guy is different, the antics he has been getting up to are a disgrace, he thinks because he is the promoter he is reffing, judging and running the show, the arguments with the judges was a joke, what is the promoter doing even looking at the judges scorecards, any fighter who goes over to an Arena promotion show, do so with extreme caution.

Also am interested who are the two talents you are talking about ??

Danny has only fought outside the UK a few times, and the ones of any significance are the Loss to Samil Sam, the N/C to Platov in Switzerland (Which he should have won) and the recent win over Konstantin Airich who was 8-0 but taking a massive risk in fighting Williams, am I missing something

Airich and Platov are big HW prospects in Germany esp Platov and both promoted by Oner both of which were besmirched by Williams.

[Markusdarkus]

Well...so far there has been alot of Germany talk,but lets not forget that the two fight in question weren't even held in Germany and that the promoter in question is a Turk...

And remember that Germany after the US has probably the biggest boxing market right now...so people look in the past where there have been some shady decisions in a small developing market...and pounce on even the slightest fault or are biased enough to see faults where none exist these days...and totally oversee the majority of good decisions...

Both are fighting out of Germany and both promoted by Oner the man with a German promotional licence.

Fair due to Germany i heard they stopped sanctioning his promotions, but he still give German boxing a bad name.

Kind of went down hill when Sven Otkke got a belt, he was that rubbish he needed the referee and judges to help him out in virtually every big fight.

[JohnnyKickAss]

Yer he is a complete prick tbh but thats always been German boxing.

At least we can say Danny Williams went over there and destroyed Germanys biggest two talents!

German boxing has always carried a black cloud, but this guy is different, the antics he has been getting up to are a disgrace, he thinks because he is the promoter he is reffing, judging and running the show, the arguments with the judges was a joke, what is the promoter doing even looking at the judges scorecards, any fighter who goes over to an Arena promotion show, do so with extreme caution.

Also am interested who are the two talents you are talking about ??

Danny has only fought outside the UK a few times, and the ones of any significance are the Loss to Samil Sam, the N/C to Platov in Switzerland (Which he should have won) and the recent win over Konstantin Airich who was 8-0 but taking a massive risk in fighting Williams, am I missing something

Airich and Platov are big HW prospects in Germany esp Platov and both promoted by Oner both of which were besmirched by Williams.

If you want to split hair you got to get it right...first of all they weren't BIG HW prospects(I doubt that anyone even knew Airich before the Williams fight...)and secondly is Platov promoted by Sauerland...

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

German boxing has always carried a black cloud, but this guy is different, the antics he has been getting up to are a disgrace, he thinks because he is the promoter he is reffing, judging and running the show, the arguments with the judges was a joke, what is the promoter doing even looking at the judges scorecards, any fighter who goes over to an Arena promotion show, do so with extreme caution.

Also am interested who are the two talents you are talking about ??

Danny has only fought outside the UK a few times, and the ones of any significance are the Loss to Samil Sam, the N/C to Platov in Switzerland (Which he should have won) and the recent win over Konstantin Airich who was 8-0 but taking a massive risk in fighting Williams, am I missing something

Airich and Platov are big HW prospects in Germany esp Platov and both promoted by Oner both of which were besmirched by Williams.

If you want to split hair you got to get it right...first of all they weren't BIG HW prospects(I doubt that anyone even knew Airich before the Williams fight...)and secondly is Platov promoted by Sauerland...

Never even heard of Airich............

[Markusdarkus]

German boxing has always carried a black cloud, but this guy is different, the antics he has been getting up to are a disgrace, he thinks because he is the promoter he is reffing, judging and running the show, the arguments with the judges was a joke, what is the promoter doing even looking at the judges scorecards, any fighter who goes over to an Arena promotion show, do so with extreme caution.

Also am interested who are the two talents you are talking about ??

Danny has only fought outside the UK a few times, and the ones of any significance are the Loss to Samil Sam, the N/C to Platov in Switzerland (Which he should have won) and the recent win over Konstantin Airich who was 8-0 but taking a massive risk in fighting Williams, am I missing something

Airich and Platov are big HW prospects in Germany esp Platov and both promoted by Oner both of which were besmirched by Williams.

If you want to split hair you got to get it right...first of all they weren't BIG HW prospects(I doubt that anyone even knew Airich before the Williams fight...)and secondly is Platov promoted by Sauerland...

My friend who is German said that Airich was being touted by the Casters as the next big thing and even has a column in one of Germanys biggest papers.

And id Platov is promoted by Sauerland that means the cancer that was German boxing is coming back.

By that i mean corruption is not confined to Ohner.

[JohnnyKickAss]

Airich and Platov are big HW prospects in Germany esp Platov and both promoted by Oner both of which were besmirched by Williams.

If you want to split hair you got to get it right...first of all they weren't BIG HW prospects(I doubt that anyone even knew Airich before the Williams fight...)and secondly is Platov promoted by Sauerland...

Never even heard of Airich............

He had a pretty exciting if a bit corrupt fight with Danny Williams a few weeks ago...Fight had everything... knockdowns, standing eight counts,fouls,a broken hand,an incompetent ref and of course the famous after 1.30 minutes bell to end the rnd...

Seriously if you haven't seen it try to download it...its totally worth it...