Look say what you want about the ring but i think Evander deserves the credit of atleast a three time champion and if you count ruiz he at least held if four times. That has never been done before so i give him that but thats just me. Thing i dont gte with Holyfeild is he never in pound pound lists i mean he may not be top ten but he is atleast 25 or 50 just wanted to through that out there as well sorry if i am rambling should just make a thread for it.