Cowardly klitscho and Tony "The Kitten" Thompson make me sick!!! [spoilers]

[El Kabong]

Lyle, he's not criticizing Cotto-Margarito. He's criticizing the below average state of the heavyweight division and the sloppiness of the fight today, he's not insulting boxing, he's insulting Wlad. Unless insulting Wlad means you are insulting boxing

Oh I know, I was just taking it to the next level to show what that extreme criticism is like....I suppose you just didn't get that though.

[Mr140]

Look Wlad is not that bad i mean god he knocked the guy out and won every round. I mean not the best fight in the world but people are not happy with what ever Wald does so why even bother talking about him. Scrap the heavies have changed there bigger and maybe not as gifted and graceful as heavy before but that what you got not going to change so just stop watching the fights if they bother you. This Wald bashing is getting old the guy winning is that not good enogh i mean and knocks people out. I mean i not a Wald fan but god it gets old with the bashing worse then the bashing of Mayweather and who ever started the thread is just a waste of space because this goes no were ever.

[Scrap]

Lyle young man, Ive never ever used that word in my life, but if somebody wants to use it when angry then I havent a big problem with it Honest. Now I like you, enjoy your posts, well thought out whether I agree or not.Whats his name when he got Hammered, was polite thereafter, dont think hes a bad person just got excited because the Fight didnt excite him. Sheffield United didnt excite me last year they made my life a fucking misery but Ive got my season ticket again this year. As the Spanish Farmer said to the Hen Olay

[amat]

Lyle, he's not criticizing Cotto-Margarito. He's criticizing the below average state of the heavyweight division and the sloppiness of the fight today, he's not insulting boxing, he's insulting Wlad. Unless insulting Wlad means you are insulting boxing

Oh I know, I was just taking it to the next level to show what that extreme criticism is like....I suppose you just didn't get that though.

Ok, but that's a bit sensationalist.

They were criticizing Wlad and for good reason. He wasn't impressive tonight, that's an opinion, expert or not. You spent two paragraphs talking about some of the most impressive guys in boxing and compared it to people's comparision's Wlad. Just not right, and Scrap gave valid criticisms. What does Thompson being a southpaw have to do with him coming straight ahead and not throwing anything in the middle rounds? Nothing.

[Scrap]

Lyle Id love it if he was sensational every time I think He is a teriffic Role model as a Person, but as a Fighter He isnt getting any better.

[Kirkland Laing]

Klitschko is the only fighter whose repuation keeps falling every time he wins.

On a more serious note, he is shyte though.

[El Kabong]

Lyle Id love it if he was sensational every time I think He is a teriffic Role model as a Person, but as a Fighter He isnt getting any better.

But see that's what I'm getting at NO fighter is sensational EVERYTIME!

Not Ali, not Tyson, not Holyfield, not Lewis, not Louis, not Rocky, not anyone....so let's stop acting like Wlad could KO everyone in one round in some manic flurry of punches, it's not his style and honestly it's a bit strange that everyone expects something different from him considering how deep into his career he is so what I am saying is he's good enough to be #1 right now and people had better appreciate his skill because he does have a lot of skill you have to have skill to fight at his level and not just win but win by KO.

No one is saying Wlad is top 10 All-Time or anything....I'm being honest when I say it was an exciting fight and perhaps it's because I saw different things than you. Usually when Wlad gets hit he goes down or hangs on for dear life but this time he took some solid shots and it didn't bother him....this time he saw an opening vs a southpaw and took his chances...this time he threw the right cross earlier and went to the body and used the left hook. I saw subtle differences and changes in Wlad's game but all in all I think he became a better fighter tonight and hell maybe we'll see him do what everyone wants him to do next time but let's first understand he was fighting a big southpaw who had never been KO'd before and Wlad stopped him. Sure he made mistakes but there are rarely PERFECT FIGHTS...Wlad is a good fighter and a good champion he can eventually become great seeing how he's 32 and 51(45 KO)-3...that's a win better than Tyson's whole career!

People have changed what they expect from fighters based on the times...with Ali they wanted pure boxing flurries of punches, Tyson raw power and big KO's, Holyfield work ethic and heart, Lewis boxing and power and now that's not good enough for Wlad to box or for Wlad to KO someone....it misses a certain I don't know what and no one has defined what they want to see from him OR who could beat him (other than the Haye fans who remind me of the Toney fans of a couple years ago).


People hate on Wlad for a reason they don't like that he's some street thug who doesn't care about himself or his brain....OR they don't like that he's not Lennox Lewis which honestly I think is a big issue. People saw Lennox didn't get immediate respect and that was a shame but the same thing is happening to Wlad right now and it's shitty.

Respect him while he's here because the division without him......it's bleaker than you could ever imagine

[Violent Demise]

...I think I speak for the majority of the forum when I say


GO FUCK YOURSELF

i rather he shoot himmself

[CutMeMick]

Lyle Id love it if he was sensational every time I think He is a teriffic Role model as a Person, but as a Fighter He isnt getting any better.

But see that's what I'm getting at NO fighter is sensational EVERYTIME!

Not Ali, not Tyson, not Holyfield, not Lewis, not Louis, not Rocky, not anyone....so let's stop acting like Wlad could KO everyone in one round in some manic flurry of punches, it's not his style and honestly it's a bit strange that everyone expects something different from him considering how deep into his career he is so what I am saying is he's good enough to be #1 right now and people had better appreciate his skill because he does have a lot of skill you have to have skill to fight at his level and not just win but win by KO.

No one is saying Wlad is top 10 All-Time or anything....I'm being honest when I say it was an exciting fight and perhaps it's because I saw different things than you. Usually when Wlad gets hit he goes down or hangs on for dear life but this time he took some solid shots and it didn't bother him....this time he saw an opening vs a southpaw and took his chances...this time he threw the right cross earlier and went to the body and used the left hook. I saw subtle differences and changes in Wlad's game but all in all I think he became a better fighter tonight and hell maybe we'll see him do what everyone wants him to do next time but let's first understand he was fighting a big southpaw who had never been KO'd before and Wlad stopped him. Sure he made mistakes but there are rarely PERFECT FIGHTS...Wlad is a good fighter and a good champion he can eventually become great seeing how he's 32 and 51(45 KO)-3...that's a win better than Tyson's whole career!

People have changed what they expect from fighters based on the times...with Ali they wanted pure boxing flurries of punches, Tyson raw power and big KO's, Holyfield work ethic and heart, Lewis boxing and power and now that's not good enough for Wlad to box or for Wlad to KO someone....it misses a certain I don't know what and no one has defined what they want to see from him OR who could beat him (other than the Haye fans who remind me of the Toney fans of a couple years ago).


People hate on Wlad for a reason they don't like that he's some street thug who doesn't care about himself or his brain....OR they don't like that he's not Lennox Lewis which honestly I think is a big issue. People saw Lennox didn't get immediate respect and that was a shame but the same thing is happening to Wlad right now and it's shitty.

Respect him while he's here because the division without him......it's bleaker than you could ever imagine

Amen to that Lyle.

It's what I said in Wlads last fight when he went the distance if it's not a spectacular KO then it seems like it doesnt count.
90 fucken percent KO ratio I mean come on people.

But whatever the Wladdy Bus is more spacey this way and more room to relax and stretch here.

[amat]

The thing is, people are allowed to criticize. So Lyle get your panties out of a bunch.

A lot of people, when they see Wlad, they see a very flawed champion. Let's be honest, he's pretty much one dimensional. Sloppy, and one dimensional and even his most ardent fans should be able to admit that. No one is saying he doesn't have good power, a great jab and outside game, so for you to keep saying that is pointless. Everyone knows it.

No one out there is disputing that he's the champion right now either, that's not a criticism of his. No one is saying that Ruslan Chagaev is the real heavyweight champion, so to keep bringing that up is pointless too. It's something everyone knows.

But the fact that he is a champion is what gets people so frustrated. He's obviously limited. He literally has no inside game and only gets by on the inside because for whatever reason, he is impervious to being warned for holding. Of course Wladimir can't use his height to his advantage inside, but that doesn't mean he should be allowed to break the rules just because it is more difficult for him to fight cleanly within distance then others. And it's not just when other fighters come in on him, several times he got wild with the right hand versus Thompson and covered up immediately after a la Hopkins. He did that more then I've ever seen.

Anyways, all this frustration isn't neccessarily directed at Wlad. Like I said, he's head and shoulders above the rest of the crop at heavyweight. It's more directed towards the division in general, and how sorry of a state it really is. Really, there aren't enough harsh words to describe the division right now. Some divisions are thin at the top but filled with solid talent, others are heavy at the top but really aren't deep at all, but the heavyweight division is just all around bad. Really, it's a pathetic division with no signs of getting any better. They see Wlad, people see wholes in his game yet he's a kingpin with no real challenges since Peter. There's something wrong there.

Part of me wants to think Povetkin can do something, make some noise but I really doubt it but the division would be far better off if he did.

[BoxingGorilla]

That was disgusting

Boil that post down to it's purist form and I agree with you 100%




Wlad just can't forget his past knockdowns, can he?

He should have pounded Thompson in the belly until his intestines were liqiufied. Let that straight right go downstairs more often and then sneak in some uppercuts and The Tiger would have been down and out in Hamburg by round 6.

Klitschko is scared to get hit. That's what I think.

[BoxingGorilla]

You know when we'll read a lot about Wlad?
When he looses and everyone goes ape shit posting they knew it all along and he's a farce and blah! blah! blah!

LOL

I've already finished my final copy. I just have to fill in the names and places.

[piye]

Wow, It's shocking to me that such a boring fighter has so many fans; I have fought amateur but never against a southpaw. But even as an amateur i can see the huge mistakes being made by Wladmir and Thompson and it's atrocious! I mean has Thompson still honestly not learnt to slip a punch? Wow; and Klitscho why does he get into those tumbles with fighters? he fights scared is clumsy and has no in game! I was Angry yesterday; Maybe I should not have responded like that but a lot of people (Lyle etc) Responded like some real bitc hes. I'm no bully and I'm not going to act hard over the internet as I hate keyboard gangsters but for people to say fuck me for insulting a fighter! Well FUCK THEM, I hope anyone who said that to me realizes this is a board for discussion you may occasionally get people who disagree with you or who hate fighters you love.

[Scrap]

Truth Told

[Beanflicker]

I dont know who piye is but for what He said He doesnt deserve the sad clicks. They are his feelings Fair, strange but its a form of Bullying I cant stand Bullys they usually are Cowards who cant Fight to save there lives. Ah well Birds of a Feather.

There's a difference between expressing a well articulated opinion and calling two heavyweight fighters a couple of "faggots". Didn't like the fight, don't like Klitchsko? Thats fine, but try to be a little bit respectful about it.