JCC Jr. - Matt Vanda Thread

[Deanrw]

Wow..thats quite a disparity in scoring....Chavez has struck me as a little too willing to swap shot's and ignore natural frame?Thats not a bad thing but It might get costly

He is a good exciting fighter but I don't think he will ever be top level. He likes to trade too much. I would like to see him fight Mora though. It would be entertaining.

[Kev]

Wow..thats quite a disparity in scoring....Chavez has struck me as a little too willing to swap shot's and ignore natural frame?Thats not a bad thing but It might get costly

He is a good exciting fighter but I don't think he will ever be top level. He likes to trade too much. I would like to see him fight Mora though. It would be entertaining.

Mora would whup Chavez imo he's just trading on his father's name nothing more.

Vanda is just a decent club fighter, even Anthony Bonsate had no problems with him.

Seriously the biggest fight of Chavez Jr's career will be against Alfonso Gomez and he will lose.

[Violent Demise]

Wow..thats quite a disparity in scoring....Chavez has struck me as a little too willing to swap shot's and ignore natural frame?Thats not a bad thing but It might get costly

He is a good exciting fighter but I don't think he will ever be top level. He likes to trade too much. I would like to see him fight Mora though. It would be entertaining.

Mora would whup Chavez imo he's just trading on his father's name nothing more.

Vanda is just a decent club fighter, even Anthony Bonsate had no problems with him.

Seriously the biggest fight of Chavez Jr's career will be against Alfonso Gomez and he will lose.

uu muust bee drunnk.

[Kev]

He is a good exciting fighter but I don't think he will ever be top level. He likes to trade too much. I would like to see him fight Mora though. It would be entertaining.

Mora would whup Chavez imo he's just trading on his father's name nothing more.

Vanda is just a decent club fighter, even Anthony Bonsate had no problems with him.

Seriously the biggest fight of Chavez Jr's career will be against Alfonso Gomez and he will lose.

uu muust bee drunnk.

So you think he's going to be a world champ then VD?

In his last 3 or 4 fights he's pretty much stepped up to his maximum level of competition.

Him and Gomez would be a pick em fight imo and I'd favour Gomez to come on late and stop him.

He's nothing special at all.

Duddy would murder him. I honestly can't see him beating anybody at light middle, Ouma, Julio, K9 Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Sechew Powell, the guy that beat Sechew Powell, I can't see him beating any of those guys.

Cosme Riveria would knock him out.

The only fights I can see him winning against name fighters are Yory Boy Campas (who would have destroyed him in his prime) and maybe that Jose Riveria guy, which would be a pick em fight imo.

[TitoFan]

Split decision against the mighty Matt Vanda?!? No... that won't do. Time to go back to the 0-15 fighters, Jr. (and Sr.)

Wouldn't want to do anything to jeopardize that carefully constructed 37-0 record, now would we.

[amat]

In all fairness, it wasn't a split decision. Well it was but that was a ridiculous score. I thought Chavez lost 1, 2 rounds at most. And he did look impressive for about 7 of those but then gassed big time.

[Violent Demise]

Mora would whup Chavez imo he's just trading on his father's name nothing more.

Vanda is just a decent club fighter, even Anthony Bonsate had no problems with him.

Seriously the biggest fight of Chavez Jr's career will be against Alfonso Gomez and he will lose.

uu muust bee drunnk.

So you think he's going to be a world champ then VD?

In his last 3 or 4 fights he's pretty much stepped up to his maximum level of competition.

Him and Gomez would be a pick em fight imo and I'd favour Gomez to come on late and stop him.

He's nothing special at all.

Duddy would murder him. I honestly can't see him beating anybody at light middle, Ouma, Julio, K9 Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Sechew Powell, the guy that beat Sechew Powell, I can't see him beating any of those guys.

Cosme Riveria would knock him out.

The only fights I can see him winning against name fighters are Yory Boy Campas (who would have destroyed him in his prime) and maybe that Jose Riveria guy, which would be a pick em fight imo.

Chavez would smash of the fools you mention. Especially Mora and that clown Duddy. I seen Duddy fight plenty of times. And he is no Matt Vanda

[Kev]

uu muust bee drunnk.

So you think he's going to be a world champ then VD?

In his last 3 or 4 fights he's pretty much stepped up to his maximum level of competition.

Him and Gomez would be a pick em fight imo and I'd favour Gomez to come on late and stop him.

He's nothing special at all.

Duddy would murder him. I honestly can't see him beating anybody at light middle, Ouma, Julio, K9 Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Sechew Powell, the guy that beat Sechew Powell, I can't see him beating any of those guys.

Cosme Riveria would knock him out.

The only fights I can see him winning against name fighters are Yory Boy Campas (who would have destroyed him in his prime) and maybe that Jose Riveria guy, which would be a pick em fight imo.

Chavez would smash of the fools you mention. Especially Mora and that clown Duddy. I seen Duddy fight plenty of times. And he is no Matt Vanda

You can't seriously believe that?

I honestly wouldn't pick Chavez over any of those guys in a 12 round fight. I'm not even exaggerating here Mora is far too slick, Duddy to strong, K9 too awkward, Julio too powerful, Powell too slick and too powerful, Ishe far too slick, Ouma, even faded he still has far too much pedigree for Chavez.

Gomez would be close but I'd favour Gomez as he's clearly mixed in better company.

As for the top guys in the division, Santos, Alcine, Spinks, Phillips, Forrest, Karmazin he'd have not a hope in hell.

I think you could argue a serious case for at least 20 fighters in the junior middleweight division who Chavez wouldn't be able to beat.

They will keep feeding him stiffs for the next couple years at least.

[Kirkland Laing]

I have to agree with Bilbo here against my fellow Calzaghe fan Demise. Chavez is nothing special at all. 36 fights and he's still fighting guys like Vanda tells the whole story here. He's also really tight at the weight too apparently, certainly looked that way at the end of the fight. Unless he gets handed a belt and defends it against Vanda-like fighters he'll never be a world champion and if he has to move up to 160 it'll get ugly for him.

[Violent Demise]

So you think he's going to be a world champ then VD?

In his last 3 or 4 fights he's pretty much stepped up to his maximum level of competition.

Him and Gomez would be a pick em fight imo and I'd favour Gomez to come on late and stop him.

He's nothing special at all.

Duddy would murder him. I honestly can't see him beating anybody at light middle, Ouma, Julio, K9 Bundrage, Ishe Smith, Sechew Powell, the guy that beat Sechew Powell, I can't see him beating any of those guys.

Cosme Riveria would knock him out.

The only fights I can see him winning against name fighters are Yory Boy Campas (who would have destroyed him in his prime) and maybe that Jose Riveria guy, which would be a pick em fight imo.

Chavez would smash of the fools you mention. Especially Mora and that clown Duddy. I seen Duddy fight plenty of times. And he is no Matt Vanda

You can't seriously believe that?

I honestly wouldn't pick Chavez over any of those guys in a 12 round fight. I'm not even exaggerating here Mora is far too slick, Duddy to strong, K9 too awkward, Julio too powerful, Powell too slick and too powerful, Ishe far too slick, Ouma, even faded he still has far too much pedigree for Chavez.

Gomez would be close but I'd favour Gomez as he's clearly mixed in better company.

As for the top guys in the division, Santos, Alcine, Spinks, Phillips, Forrest, Karmazin he'd have not a hope in hell.

I think you could argue a serious case for at least 20 fighters in the junior middleweight division who Chavez wouldn't be able to beat.

They will keep feeding him stiffs for the next couple years at least.

You must of missed Duddy's fight against D class fighter Walid Smichet. His fight against Great Grandfather Yory Boy Campas. Duddy by all rights has 2 loses already. I agree Chavez would lose to Santos, Alcine, Spinks, Phillips and Karmazin. But those are top fighters. Something Duddy is not. Far from it. Chavez would brutalized Duddy.