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    Default Re: Calzaghe: i want Pavlik after Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Following breaking news of Calzaghe's intent to stick around for more fights at the 168lb Super Middleweight division, Calzaghe has given his first interview with The Times since his break up with long time promoter Frank Warren and has openly mentioned the potential match-up against Kelly Pavlik :-

    “There is no way I am going to give up my WBO title,” Calzaghe announced to The Time's Ron Lewis “I do not have a mandatory (to his WBO title) at the moment so I do not have to defend my title and if I beat Jones, Im going to move back down to super middleweight to face Kelly Pavlik"

    “I still feel young,” Calzaghe stated “...It all depends on how I perform against Jones. There's a good possibility I may fight on. I need fights that motivate me. Kessler motivated me, Hopkins motivated me, Jones motivates me. And Kelly Pavlik has been hanging around.”

    “It took me eight years [as WBO champion] to get a unification fight - I was becoming a laughing stock with some of the people I was fighting,” he said. “I was chasing guys like Jones and now they are chasing me.”
    That belt is crap

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    Default Re: Calzaghe: i want Pavlik after Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Following breaking news of Calzaghe's intent to stick around for more fights at the 168lb Super Middleweight division, Calzaghe has given his first interview with The Times since his break up with long time promoter Frank Warren and has openly mentioned the potential match-up against Kelly Pavlik :-

    “There is no way I am going to give up my WBO title,” Calzaghe announced to The Time's Ron Lewis “I do not have a mandatory (to his WBO title) at the moment so I do not have to defend my title and if I beat Jones, Im going to move back down to super middleweight to face Kelly Pavlik"

    “I still feel young,” Calzaghe stated “...It all depends on how I perform against Jones. There's a good possibility I may fight on. I need fights that motivate me. Kessler motivated me, Hopkins motivated me, Jones motivates me. And Kelly Pavlik has been hanging around.”

    “It took me eight years [as WBO champion] to get a unification fight - I was becoming a laughing stock with some of the people I was fighting,” he said. “I was chasing guys like Jones and now they are chasing me.”
    That belt is crap
    I'm surprised to see a fellow Calzaghe fan knocking Joe's belt.

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    Default Re: Calzaghe: i want Pavlik after Jones

    I do find that a stupid reason to take a fight (or not) at this point in Joe's career. For one, he is very established, has limited fights, and he can buy him another belt from a website in any color he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Following breaking news of Calzaghe's intent to stick around for more fights at the 168lb Super Middleweight division, Calzaghe has given his first interview with The Times since his break up with long time promoter Frank Warren and has openly mentioned the potential match-up against Kelly Pavlik :-

    “There is no way I am going to give up my WBO title,” Calzaghe announced to The Time's Ron Lewis “I do not have a mandatory (to his WBO title) at the moment so I do not have to defend my title and if I beat Jones, Im going to move back down to super middleweight to face Kelly Pavlik"

    “I still feel young,” Calzaghe stated “...It all depends on how I perform against Jones. There's a good possibility I may fight on. I need fights that motivate me. Kessler motivated me, Hopkins motivated me, Jones motivates me. And Kelly Pavlik has been hanging around.”

    “It took me eight years [as WBO champion] to get a unification fight - I was becoming a laughing stock with some of the people I was fighting,” he said. “I was chasing guys like Jones and now they are chasing me.”
    That belt is crap
    I'm surprised to see a fellow Calzaghe fan knocking Joe's belt.
    Can't believe the WBO has a fan

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    Default Re: Calzaghe: i want Pavlik after Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post

    That belt is crap
    I'm surprised to see a fellow Calzaghe fan knocking Joe's belt.
    Can't believe the WBO has a fan
    It's the fighter that makes the belt though isn't it? Calzaghe has beaten the WBC/WBA supermiddle champ and of course the IBF champ in a bout we both favoured Joe to win, so the WBO supermiddle belt has the respect due to the guy who currently holds it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post

    I'm surprised to see a fellow Calzaghe fan knocking Joe's belt.
    Can't believe the WBO has a fan
    It's the fighter that makes the belt though isn't it? Calzaghe has beaten the WBC/WBA supermiddle champ and of course the IBF champ in a bout we both favoured Joe to win, so the WBO supermiddle belt has the respect due to the guy who currently holds it.
    Why would you want to represent a belt in which a dead man can literally move up in the rankings? The WBO has always been equal to the WBU and the IBO. It's a minor league belt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post

    Can't believe the WBO has a fan
    It's the fighter that makes the belt though isn't it? Calzaghe has beaten the WBC/WBA supermiddle champ and of course the IBF champ in a bout we both favoured Joe to win, so the WBO supermiddle belt has the respect due to the guy who currently holds it.
    Why would you want to represent a belt in which a dead man can literally move up in the rankings? The WBO has always been equal to the WBU and the IBO. It's a minor league belt.

    I think the WBO is a better org now that the WBA and maybe even the WBC ok it doesnt have the history but it only has one champion per weight. None of this regular champion crap just one champ and an interim champ if needed.

    Anyway im not sure Calderon,Campbell,Williams,Pavlik,Calzaghe or Klithscko would agree.
    Last edited by Markusdarkus; 07-17-2008 at 08:24 AM.

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    I hope Joe does stick to this IF he beats RJJ. It would prove that he hasn't lost his bottle and would restore my faith in him. But I do feel announcing this now not long after the fight with RJJ has been sorted is a bad move, I hope he's not overlooking Roy. yes he's past his best but we've seen in the past fighters pull out one last big performance out of nowhere.

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    Default Re: Calzaghe: i want Pavlik after Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post

    Can't believe the WBO has a fan
    It's the fighter that makes the belt though isn't it? Calzaghe has beaten the WBC/WBA supermiddle champ and of course the IBF champ in a bout we both favoured Joe to win, so the WBO supermiddle belt has the respect due to the guy who currently holds it.
    Why would you want to represent a belt in which a dead man can literally move up in the rankings? The WBO has always been equal to the WBU and the IBO. It's a minor league belt.
    But the WBO super middle belt is owned by the undisputed best 168 fighter. All the alphabet belts are bs with their super champions and champions emeritus nonsense. They do help sell fights though so you can't blame Calzaghe for wanting to keep it because as far as selling future Calzaghe 168 fights goes it's worth money to him.

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    Default Re: Calzaghe: i want Pavlik after Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Following breaking news of Calzaghe's intent to stick around for more fights at the 168lb Super Middleweight division, Calzaghe has given his first interview with The Times since his break up with long time promoter Frank Warren and has openly mentioned the potential match-up against Kelly Pavlik :-

    “There is no way I am going to give up my WBO title,” Calzaghe announced to The Time's Ron Lewis “I do not have a mandatory (to his WBO title) at the moment so I do not have to defend my title and if I beat Jones, Im going to move back down to super middleweight to face Kelly Pavlik"

    “I still feel young,” Calzaghe stated “...It all depends on how I perform against Jones. There's a good possibility I may fight on. I need fights that motivate me. Kessler motivated me, Hopkins motivated me, Jones motivates me. And Kelly Pavlik has been hanging around.”

    “It took me eight years [as WBO champion] to get a unification fight - I was becoming a laughing stock with some of the people I was fighting,” he said. “I was chasing guys like Jones and now they are chasing me.”
    That belt is crap


    Its a symbol nothing else that belt has the best history at 168lbs.

    Plus Hoe is one of only two men to hold all 5 recognised titles at the same weight.

    WBC,IBO,IBF,WBA,WBO and of those at 168lbs the belt with the history is the WBO the others are just tokens.

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    Default Re: Calzaghe: i want Pavlik after Jones

    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Following breaking news of Calzaghe's intent to stick around for more fights at the 168lb Super Middleweight division, Calzaghe has given his first interview with The Times since his break up with long time promoter Frank Warren and has openly mentioned the potential match-up against Kelly Pavlik :-

    “There is no way I am going to give up my WBO title,” Calzaghe announced to The Time's Ron Lewis “I do not have a mandatory (to his WBO title) at the moment so I do not have to defend my title and if I beat Jones, Im going to move back down to super middleweight to face Kelly Pavlik"

    “I still feel young,” Calzaghe stated “...It all depends on how I perform against Jones. There's a good possibility I may fight on. I need fights that motivate me. Kessler motivated me, Hopkins motivated me, Jones motivates me. And Kelly Pavlik has been hanging around.”

    “It took me eight years [as WBO champion] to get a unification fight - I was becoming a laughing stock with some of the people I was fighting,” he said. “I was chasing guys like Jones and now they are chasing me.”
    That belt is crap


    Its a symbol nothing else that belt has the best history at 168lbs.

    Plus Hoe is one of only two men to hold all 5 recognised titles at the same weight.

    WBC,IBO,IBF,WBA,WBO and of those at 168lbs the belt with the history is the WBO the others are just tokens.
    OK that's just silly, they are all just tokens. The history of the WBC belt at 168 is just as strong as the WBO. And ultimately they are all meaningless against the Ring title. Calzaghe has no use for a trinket at this point in his career, does it make or break a fight with RJJ? NO, does it impact his possible one fight after RJJ? NO.
    Calzaghe has the Ring title nothing else matters, that covers all the history he needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post

    That belt is crap


    Its a symbol nothing else that belt has the best history at 168lbs.

    Plus Hoe is one of only two men to hold all 5 recognised titles at the same weight.

    WBC,IBO,IBF,WBA,WBO and of those at 168lbs the belt with the history is the WBO the others are just tokens.
    OK that's just silly, they are all just tokens. The history of the WBC belt at 168 is just as strong as the WBO. And ultimately they are all meaningless against the Ring title. Calzaghe has no use for a trinket at this point in his career, does it make or break a fight with RJJ? NO, does it impact his possible one fight after RJJ? NO.
    Calzaghe has the Ring title nothing else matters.


    Well it matters to him hes had the belt for 10yrs why give it up then fight when he can keep it and fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post



    Its a symbol nothing else that belt has the best history at 168lbs.

    Plus Hoe is one of only two men to hold all 5 recognised titles at the same weight.

    WBC,IBO,IBF,WBA,WBO and of those at 168lbs the belt with the history is the WBO the others are just tokens.
    OK that's just silly, they are all just tokens. The history of the WBC belt at 168 is just as strong as the WBO. And ultimately they are all meaningless against the Ring title. Calzaghe has no use for a trinket at this point in his career, does it make or break a fight with RJJ? NO, does it impact his possible one fight after RJJ? NO.
    Calzaghe has the Ring title nothing else matters.


    Well it matters to him hes had the belt for 10yrs why give it up then fight when he can keep it and fight.
    The why is in the fee structure.

    If he gives it up he is free to not pay sanctioning fees. If he wants to defend it that's fine, as long as we all admit it's a novelty. From my point of view it's just a waste of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post

    OK that's just silly, they are all just tokens. The history of the WBC belt at 168 is just as strong as the WBO. And ultimately they are all meaningless against the Ring title. Calzaghe has no use for a trinket at this point in his career, does it make or break a fight with RJJ? NO, does it impact his possible one fight after RJJ? NO.
    Calzaghe has the Ring title nothing else matters.


    Well it matters to him hes had the belt for 10yrs why give it up then fight when he can keep it and fight.
    The why is in the fee structure.

    If he gives it up he is free to not pay sanctioning fees. If he wants to defend it that's fine, as long as we all admit it's a novelty. From my point of view it's just a waste of money.

    Maybe you think its a novelty, i think its great hes had it 10yrs id want to keep it its also the belt you would want to beat Joe for his WBO strap. Hes held all the other titles and gave them up it clearly means a lot to him.

    One mans "novelty" is another mans treasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by killersheep View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Markusdarkus View Post



    Well it matters to him hes had the belt for 10yrs why give it up then fight when he can keep it and fight.
    The why is in the fee structure.

    If he gives it up he is free to not pay sanctioning fees. If he wants to defend it that's fine, as long as we all admit it's a novelty. From my point of view it's just a waste of money.

    Maybe you think its a novelty, i think its great hes had it 10yrs id want to keep it its also the belt you would want to beat Joe for his WBO strap. Hes held all the other titles and gave them up it clearly means a lot to him.

    One mans "novelty" is another mans treasure.
    Yes I do think it's a novelty, the alphabet straps only have meaning when the Ring belt is vacant. RJJ is not trying to beat Joe for the WBO strap, he's trying to beat him for the Ring title.
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