James Toney vs. Hasim Rahman II - Let's Talk here (Pics & Vid)

[amat]

On FSN they are grilling this doctor about the decision, he made the right call you can blame Toney or the commission but not the doctor.

[Spicoli]

Whats telling is Rahmans last statement in the corner....."I cant see that right hand".....nuff said!Without even letting the corner work on it Once and giving himself a chance in next round for a victory....he opted out. After his corner asked "It was a headbutt right" ? He was staggered bad at 28 sec mark and Toney got him "upstairs" Imo.

[Kev]

Whats telling is Rahmans last statement in the corner....."I cant see that right hand".....nuff said!Without even letting the corner work on it Once and giving himself a chance in next round for a victory....he opted out. After his corner asked "It was a headbutt right" ? He was staggered bad at 28 sec mark and Toney got him "upstairs" Imo.

What Rahman may or may not have said to his corner is completely irrelevent though. He was clearly cut, the blood was clearly obscuring his vision, it was clearly a headbutt, and the doctor clearly suggested to the referee that Hasim couldn't continue.

Even had Hasim said to his trainer, 'I've found a way to get out' it should still not change the facts.

It was a no contest. Nobody likes no contests and I really wanted Toney to win but a bad decision is a bad decision no matter what the circumstances.

[Swice]

Whats telling is Rahmans last statement in the corner....."I cant see that right hand".....nuff said!Without even letting the corner work on it Once and giving himself a chance in next round for a victory....he opted out. After his corner asked "It was a headbutt right" ? He was staggered bad at 28 sec mark and Toney got him "upstairs" Imo.

What Rahman may or may not have said to his corner is completely irrelevent though. He was clearly cut, the blood was clearly obscuring his vision, it was clearly a headbutt, and the doctor clearly suggested to the referee that Hasim couldn't continue.

Even had Hasim said to his trainer, 'I've found a way to get out' it should still not change the facts.

It was a no contest. Nobody likes no contests and I really wanted Toney to win but a bad decision is a bad decision no matter what the circumstances.

Rahman doesn't get to make that decision though. If you get headbutted the fighter doesn't get to decide whether he will continue or not, that is left up to the doctor and the referee. If the doctor says you can continue than you have to fight or take the "L." The doctor waved off the fight not because of the cut, but because Rahman said he couldn't see. The doctor hadn't even checked the cut yet, and Rahman was already indicating he didn't want to go on. Thats a TKO and not a NC.

[Spicoli]

Whats telling is Rahmans last statement in the corner....."I cant see that right hand".....nuff said!Without even letting the corner work on it Once and giving himself a chance in next round for a victory....he opted out. After his corner asked "It was a headbutt right" ? He was staggered bad at 28 sec mark and Toney got him "upstairs" Imo.

What Rahman may or may not have said to his corner is completely irrelevent though. He was clearly cut, the blood was clearly obscuring his vision, it was clearly a headbutt, and the doctor clearly suggested to the referee that Hasim couldn't continue.

Even had Hasim said to his trainer, 'I've found a way to get out' it should still not change the facts.

It was a no contest. Nobody likes no contests and I really wanted Toney to win but a bad decision is a bad decision no matter what the circumstances.

I can go along with the technicalities and "Rules are rules" but we all know what this was. Rahman said He could not see clearly.Upon wiping it there was no blood flowing and they packed it/treated it ready for next round.Thay actually asked for verification on the headbutt and upon hearing there desired answer ,Rahman looked to massage the rules and settle for an out as opposed to sucking it up and giving himself a chance......He did a brokeback mountain and "quithimself" and is probally regretting it much right now!

[Deanrw]

I see it as he quit in his corner. He should have at least tried to make a fight of it, but seemed to want the easier way out.

He was complaining that he could not see, he wanted the ref to stop it. Cuts are a part of the sport. Fighters are expected to fight through them no matter how they are caused unless the doctor determines otherwise.

On that note though I can see them later on declaring it a no contest. One of those tough calls.

[Kev]

On FSN they are grilling this doctor about the decision, he made the right call you can blame Toney or the commission but not the doctor.

You can't blame Toney he's done nothing wrong, neither has the doctor or Rahman.

The blame lies squarely at the feet of the referee imo.

I have no doubt this will be over turned within 48 hours anyway.

Bizarre decision. I've never seen a fight stopped by a referee due to a cut sustained by a headbutt and the other fighter declared the winner.

If they were trying to claim it wasn't a headbutt I could at least understand it but the referee and the doctor agreed it was a headbutt, and the doctor said he suggested to the referee that Hasim couldn't continue.

Completely bizarre

[Gandalf]

Toney was warming up nicely in the second and taking over in the 3rd. If Rahman continued he was going to get stopped anyway. Not the ideal way for Toney to get the win and I would have liked to see him get a few more rounds in the bag.

Hopefully, another fight in 3 or 4 months against someone ranked in the top 6. Then Toney is perhaps able to go for one last shot at a belt.

[Swice]

It wasn't the headbutt that stopped the fight, it was Rahman complaining he couldn't see. The doctor should have told him that he had ruled the fight could continue and the fight would only be stopped if Rahman didn't want to continue.

Rahman got called trying to pull a Francisco Lorenzo. Tony started to get the best of him and he knew that this was a way out. It was obvious that the cut wasn't going to stop the fight so he took it upon himself to come up with something better "blindness." The plan backfired.

[Kev]

It wasn't the headbutt that stopped the fight, it was Rahman complaining he couldn't see. The doctor should have told him that he had ruled the fight could continue and the fight would only be stopped if Rahman didn't want to continue.

Rahman got called trying to pull a Francisco Lorenzo. Tony started to get the best of him and he knew that this was a way out. It was obvious that the cut wasn't going to stop the fight so he took it upon himself to come up with something better "blindness." The plan backfired.

That's rubbish mate, Hasim may not have been the greatest champion but he's never been a quitter. He wouldn't start looking for a way out just because he lost a round that's just absurd.

[No Contest]

Nah your wrong Bilbo he could have fought with that cut at least 1 more round, he didnt want any kind of scorecard being brought into it.

[Kev]

Nah your wrong Bilbo he could have fought with that cut at least 1 more round, he didnt want any kind of scorecard being brought into it.

But Rahman didn't stop the fight though, the referee stopped the fight on advice of the doctor.

The decision was taken out of Hasim's hands. He didn't refuse to fight, he said he couldn't see, and then the referee stopped the fight.

If Rahman had refused to fight and the doctor told the ref he felt he could continue then absolutely it should be a TKO win for Toney, but instead the referee took it upon himself to stop the fight, on account of a cut sustained by a headbutt. Under the rules it HAS to be a no contest.


It will be overturned.

[No Contest]

The ref jumped the gun because Rahman was whining like a bitch. We all know Toney was gonna KTFO out of the Rock, even if it gets ruled a NC.

[Swice]

It wasn't the headbutt that stopped the fight, it was Rahman complaining he couldn't see. The doctor should have told him that he had ruled the fight could continue and the fight would only be stopped if Rahman didn't want to continue.

Rahman got called trying to pull a Francisco Lorenzo. Tony started to get the best of him and he knew that this was a way out. It was obvious that the cut wasn't going to stop the fight so he took it upon himself to come up with something better "blindness." The plan backfired.

That's rubbish mate, Hasim may not have been the greatest champion but he's never been a quitter. He wouldn't start looking for a way out just because he lost a round that's just absurd.

Just because he never has exhibited signs of being a quitter before doesn't mean thats not what happened here. The stakes have never been higher for Rahman than in this fight. Never has his career been on the line. I think he panicked and thought he found a way out that backfired on him.