Toney Rahman decision was terrible

[CutMeMick]

I've seen worst decisions so to be honest it doesn't surprise me...

[antimoron]

This is supposed to be a no contest isn't it? Correct me if i'm wrong.. isn't it if w/in 4 rounds, the rule is to declare no contest if 1 fighter can't continue due to technical reason like this case by accidental headbutt. The only fault i see is that if Rahman himself decides to quit before the doctors decision to stop the fight. If this is the case then the decision should be correct.

[saturday_kid]

Here in the UK if a fighters unable to continue on doctors orders even if the cuts from a headclash it goes down as a defeat and win for his opponent, no no contests here, most stupid rule!!

[CountryBoy]

Was it shady.... yea, But Rahman was on the way out anyway. I would like to see Toney Klitschko

[Markusdarkus]

To be honest im beginning to get suprised when a fight stateside comes to a happy ending. Officiating is more often talked about than the fighters which is a crying shame.

I thought it looked ultra dodgy and im a Toney fan, i think he was coming on well but something dont seem right. Weather Rahman verbally quit i dont know it was an online feed.

[Kev]

Here in the UK if a fighters unable to continue on doctors orders even if the cuts from a headclash it goes down as a defeat and win for his opponent, no no contests here, most stupid rule!!

Yeah that's correct and I think it's a rule that needs changing.

Did you see Wayne Elcock against Darren McDermott a couple weeks back. McDermott, the challenger easily won the first round and was winning the second when there was a nasty clash of heads. The fight was immediately stopped and Elcock was declared the winner.

That sucked imo, completely unfair to McDermott who was bossing the fight in those early stages.

Nobody likes to see no contests but I belive fighters need to be protected, not just from injury but from unintentional fouls and accidents losing them the fights.

Rahman should have either been told he had to fight on or else forfiet, or if he couldn't carry on, the result should have been a no contest.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I've just investigated this a bit.
The situation was; The cut was ruled to be a result of a clash of heads, however neither the doctor or the referee deemed Rahman unable to continue after the cut was inspected.
Rahman himself ruled himself unable to continue claiming he couldn't see punches coming and said "I'm not fighting with one eye."

[Poom]

I've just investigated this a bit.
The situation was; The cut was ruled to be a result of a clash of heads, however neither the doctor or the referee deemed Rahman unable to continue after the cut was inspected.
Rahman himself ruled himself unable to continue claiming he couldn't see punches coming and said "I'm not fighting with one eye."

If that is true then that is a pretty poor show by Rahman, on a show billed as some kind of last chance..

[Wayne]

I've just investigated this a bit.
The situation was; The cut was ruled to be a result of a clash of heads, however neither the doctor or the referee deemed Rahman unable to continue after the cut was inspected.
Rahman himself ruled himself unable to continue claiming he couldn't see punches coming and said "I'm not fighting with one eye."

The fight was mired in so much controversy I completely forgot about the cut itself. I remember thinking, "Hey, that doesn't look that bad," and it makes sense that if the doc was saying it wasn't bad enough to be stopped by virtue of the cut and Rahman refused to continue then that's a TKO. Yes, it was a cut that came from a headbutt, but there are cuts and there are cuts. I guess if Jermain Taylor had complained about the cut from Hopkins' headbutt that would have been a TKO. It wasn't a fight-stopping cut. I've reversed my opinion: Rahman deserves the L for being a whiny baby. If he'd fought on (let's be real, Toney doesn't have real KO power at HW) they would have staunched the bleeding and the work Rahman put in in the first could have been repeated.

The doc wasn't able to explain himself clearly. I was still confused after his explanation.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I've just investigated this a bit.
The situation was; The cut was ruled to be a result of a clash of heads, however neither the doctor or the referee deemed Rahman unable to continue after the cut was inspected.
Rahman himself ruled himself unable to continue claiming he couldn't see punches coming and said "I'm not fighting with one eye."

The fight was mired in so much controversy I completely forgot about the cut itself. I remember thinking, "Hey, that doesn't look that bad," and it makes sense that if the doc was saying it wasn't bad enough to be stopped by virtue of the cut and Rahman refused to continue then that's a TKO. Yes, it was a cut that came from a headbutt, but there are cuts and there are cuts. I guess if Jermain Taylor had complained about the cut from Hopkins' headbutt that would have been a TKO. It wasn't a fight-stopping cut. I've reversed my opinion: Rahman deserves the L for being a whiny baby. If he'd fought on (let's be real, Toney doesn't have real KO power at HW) they would have staunched the bleeding and the work Rahman put in in the first could have been repeated.

The doc wasn't able to explain himself clearly. I was still confused after his explanation.

I think the doctor informed the referee that Rahman said he couldn't continue, so the referee reported it as Doctor advsing the stoppage. I think!

I agree largely with what you've said, but I must mention Toney's head.
Famed for his granite chin, Toney's not adverse to allowing his hard head to bludgeon incoming opponents.
Like Hagler I don't think he does it intentionally, but he certainly doesn't avoid it. So I think the cut would have been a big isue later in the fight, which is why Rahman should have tried stop it on his terms!

[saturday_kid]

Here in the UK if a fighters unable to continue on doctors orders even if the cuts from a headclash it goes down as a defeat and win for his opponent, no no contests here, most stupid rule!!

Yeah that's correct and I think it's a rule that needs changing.

Did you see Wayne Elcock against Darren McDermott a couple weeks back. McDermott, the challenger easily won the first round and was winning the second when there was a nasty clash of heads. The fight was immediately stopped and Elcock was declared the winner.

That sucked imo, completely unfair to McDermott who was bossing the fight in those early stages.

Nobody likes to see no contests but I belive fighters need to be protected, not just from injury but from unintentional fouls and accidents losing them the fights.

Rahman should have either been told he had to fight on or else forfiet, or if he couldn't carry on, the result should have been a no contest.

Yeah mate was actually at that fight & was gutted (mcdermott is from near me) a young(ish) fighter loses his undefeated record for nothing he has done at all. Certainly needs to be changed imo common sense isn't it.

[gally]

What sort of shape was Toney in guys? is he done or could you see 1 last move for a title shot?

[Wadeb_21]

What sort of shape was Toney in guys? is he done or could you see 1 last move for a title shot?

Not much happened in the first as I think Toney was kinda feeling him out. Things got a little better in the second but not much. In the Third Toney really started landing some good rights, and from the looks of it stunned the rock atleast once and maybe even twice. I think if the fight would have went on Toney probably would of won by TKO.

Its hard to tell since it only went three rounds but being a big Toney fan I wouldn't mind seeing him get one last shot at title.

[DAWGSWIN]

What sort of shape was Toney in guys? is he done or could you see 1 last move for a title shot?

I'd say spherical!!

Seriously though, I hope he gets a shot and gets KTFO. I've never liked him or Rahman.

[No Contest]

This is supposed to be a no contest isn't it? Correct me if i'm wrong.. isn't it if w/in 4 rounds, the rule is to declare no contest if 1 fighter can't continue due to technical reason like this case by accidental headbutt. The only fault i see is that if Rahman himself decides to quit before the doctors decision to stop the fight. If this is the case then the decision should be correct.

Yes but the fighter doesnt make that decision. Rahman was the main one trying to stop the fight.