WNF Thread Lacy vs. Mendoza

[killersheep]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

[CountryBoy]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

He can't get any worse

[Spicoli]

Holyfield vs. Qawi 2 on here.....somethings just do not stack up to the original .Damn,and a slim Randy Neuman

[JT Rock]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

[killersheep]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

[leftylee]

I ain't seen the fight, but it seems Lacy done shit and shouldn't have got the win. Same as in the Tsypko fight. Seems Lacy is done if he can only manage MD against Mendoza. Jeff can have the warrior like attitiude all year round, but if he ain't got the skills, it don't matter. If he fights JT he will get purely smoked.

[JT Rock]

Come on guys lets be honest here a move up in weight will do NOTHING for Lacy if he doesn't sure up his fundamental defense. I learned one thing tonight and that's Lacy IS at the level of Mendoza and is not an elite fighter. Lacy is the absolute definition of a one-dimensional puncher which is great when your knocking guys out, but then what? If they outgun you, then what.

I had 95-95 tonight and I feel generous about that. Also Lacy looked pretty solid in the first round, but after that there was a noticable decrease in handspeed. Not impressed at all. Sorry JT.

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

I'm sorry Greg maybe I missed something in my post but I dont see 1 excuse as a matter of fact if you looked at the bold letters you'll see my critisim and reality.. Just because I didnt call him shit dosent mean I made an excuse for him.... Not to mention the guy only has one loss on his record and didnt get a gift last night

[killersheep]

I thought he looked lackluster and lethargic and his punch resistence was off... Lacy is known to have a granite chin and decent stamina.. I also think Mendoza got away with tons of fouls... I mean when has over hand karate chops ever been legal especially to the back of the head... I counted over 25 of them... Not to mention a 3 punch combo to Lacys nuts when he buzzed Epi.Then earlier Mendoza was clearly dropped with the ropes holding him up he ricoched off of Lacy then hit the ground and it was ruled a slip and Mendoza was cleary warned over 6x for holding... Not saying these things would have made Lacy look better but it would have a tall order for anyone to handle..

Lacy's defense wasnt as bad as the past, he was slipping punches and moving his head.. Lacy got caught on the inside because he wasnt working as hard as he usually does... I think he is weight drained and suited for 175 before he figures out a permanent plan.. He has been knocked down to a B fighter these days which seem weird because he only has one loss on his record, but none the less if he continues like this he will get brutally taken out by someone who is a sharper puncher(Jermain Taylor)

2 things are for sure

1) he looked sharper and punched with more conviction in this fight then he did against Manferdo

2)This guy is a warrior and literally willed his way to a victory last nite

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

I'm sorry Greg maybe I missed something in my post but I dont see 1 excuse as a matter of fact if you looked at the bold letters you'll see my critisim and reality.. Just because I didnt call him shit dosent mean I made an excuse for him.... Not to mention the guy only has one loss on his record and didnt get a gift last night

I didn't call him shit either he's just not (I don't think he has ever been) elite. Like I said you mentioned how dirty Mendoza was, which in reality is an excuse, elite fighters overcome dirty tactics to win convincingly Lacy was very fortunate to make it through rounds 2, 6 and 8. What was your scorecard? I had 95-95 (the same score I had for the Tsypko fight). So again I propose the question, If Lacy didn't tackle Mendoza do you think he would have survived that round? In my estimation Lacy should be
22-1-2

[JT Rock]

The question I want to ask you JT is do you think Lacy would have survived if he didn't tackle Mendoza, that was intentional no doubt, he said so himself in the post fight interview. And you can make all the excuses you want to for Lacy, but there is one thing elite fighters do that I have never seen Lacy do and that is ADAPT. Was it a dirty fight absolutely, but no more dirty than Bika vs Calzaghe and Calzaghe adjusted to dominate Bika. No more dirty than Cotto vs. Urkal but Cotto adjusted to dominate Oktay. Lacy has heart I won't take that away from him, but he doesn't have the skill to be considered elite.

I'm sorry Greg maybe I missed something in my post but I dont see 1 excuse as a matter of fact if you looked at the bold letters you'll see my critisim and reality.. Just because I didnt call him shit dosent mean I made an excuse for him.... Not to mention the guy only has one loss on his record and didnt get a gift last night

I didn't call him shit either he's just not (I don't think he has ever been) elite. Like I said you mentioned how dirty Mendoza was, which in reality is an excuse, elite fighters overcome dirty tactics to win convincingly Lacy was very fortunate to make it through rounds 2, 6 and 8. What was your scorecard? I had 95-95 (the same score I had for the Tsypko fight). So again I propose the question, If Lacy didn't tackle Mendoza do you think he would have survived that round? In my estimation Lacy should be
22-1-2

I know you didnt buddy, I wasnt referring to you

Well like I said if Mendoza was clearly held up by the ropes bounced of Lacy and hit the ground and clearly dazed getting up was called a slip, would Mendoza have survived? I know you saw the 3 purposely placed low blows that were rapid fired, would Mendoza have survived... Lacy survived big deal happens all the time he hung on and survived, we can dissect alot of fights and play devils advocate, Lacy was way off and maybe will never look greta again, I dont know but it certainly looks that way

[Mar]

Most of the opinions i've read here are valid on both sides of the ball. There are a ton of questions surrounding lacy and this fight. The tackle, the low blows, the slips, outcome, etc....but we gotta look at scoreboard on this one (just my opinion fella's) for whatever reason and however it happend lacy won. Was it a positive win, does it help him or hurt him who knows..we'll see but one thing about the fight that i saw was that both guys had huge opportunities to keep it out of the judges hands and neither did, so once again don't blame the field goal kicker for missing a 50 yarder when you've had all game to keep it out of his extremly un-reliable hands. If left up to the judges anything is possible. Bottom line there were some questionable issues but i'm not upset with the outcome, i think it does hurt lacy even though it's a win, and left mendoza's rep exactly the same.