Did the Calzaghe fight ruin Jeff Lacy?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Absolutley, when that fight finished so did Lacy.
He lost ever bit of mental strength and fortitude that he had built.

He was actually a gutsy fighter, he kept coming after Calzaghe, he never stopped trying, but the loss was a complete and uter domination.

[TonyBhoy]

Calzaghe schooled his ass and he has never looked the same since.

To be beaten so comprehensively when he thought he was the man seems to have destroyed him mentally.

[bikersk]

It seemed to be a psychological domination and it would be hard to recover from.

[rjj tszyu]

One thing I will give him is he can take a beating. But yes it finished him

[ssss]

Yes it did but he always did have major flaws which could be taken advantage of it has to be said the he was lucky that his 3 best wins were past there prime Syd Vanderpool Robin Reid Omar Sheika none of these fighters even at that best would i consider world class. Most of the time come forward fighters like Lacy have no defence and are 1 dimensional normally they do get found out unless the punchers are special like George Foreman Joe Louis amongst many other greats.

[Markusdarkus]

Yes it did but he always did have major flaws which could be taken advantage of it has to be said the he was lucky that his 3 best wins were past there prime Syd Vanderpool Robin Reid Omar Sheika none of these fighters even at that best would i consider world class. Most of the time come forward fighters like Lacy have no defence and are 1 dimensional normally they do get found out unless the punchers are special like George Foreman Joe Louis amongst many other greats.

When you look at the so-called pro picks its about 20-1 in favour of Lacy. But to be honest 99% of those guys were American and American sports writers as a whole are not objective, hear "British" and think bum and see a power puncher and its love at first sight.

Ive never seen so many writers and casters not only wrong but completely and utterly wrong.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Yes it did but he always did have major flaws which could be taken advantage of it has to be said the he was lucky that his 3 best wins were past there prime Syd Vanderpool Robin Reid Omar Sheika none of these fighters even at that best would i consider world class. Most of the time come forward fighters like Lacy have no defence and are 1 dimensional normally they do get found out unless the punchers are special like George Foreman Joe Louis amongst many other greats.

When you look at the so-called pro picks its about 20-1 in favour of Lacy. But to be honest 99% of those guys were American and American sports writers as a whole are not objective, hear "British" and think bum and see a power puncher and its love at first sight.

Ive never seen so many writers and casters not only wrong but completely and utterly wrong.

That is very true.

[ssss]

Yes it did but he always did have major flaws which could be taken advantage of it has to be said the he was lucky that his 3 best wins were past there prime Syd Vanderpool Robin Reid Omar Sheika none of these fighters even at that best would i consider world class. Most of the time come forward fighters like Lacy have no defence and are 1 dimensional normally they do get found out unless the punchers are special like George Foreman Joe Louis amongst many other greats.

When you look at the so-called pro picks its about 20-1 in favour of Lacy. But to be honest 99% of those guys were American and American sports writers as a whole are not objective, hear "British" and think bum and see a power puncher and its love at first sight.

Ive never seen so many writers and casters not only wrong but completely and utterly wrong.

That is quite shocking and just furthers the point that big punchers get very overrated i mean say two years ago Kelly Pavlik vs Joe Calzaghe wouldn't have been even talked about and now everyone wants to see it and are accusing Calzaghe of ducking. There will always be a new young puncher coming up through the ranks that they will want Joe Calzaghe to face or any champion for that matter i believe that if Floyd Mayweather defeats the winner of Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito i bet you the fans will want Mayweather to fight Andre Berto in a few years and accuse him of ducking Berto if he chooses not to fight him.

[Kev]

Absolutley, when that fight finished so did Lacy.
He lost ever bit of mental strength and fortitude that he had built.

He was actually a gutsy fighter, he kept coming after Calzaghe, he never stopped trying, but the loss was a complete and uter domination.

I disagree completely about Lacy losing all his mental strenght and fortidude.


Apart from his physical strength pretty much all Lacy has is his heart and will to win.

I have to say, I'm a big Jeff Lacy fan, in my mind no boxer gives his all more than Jeff Lacy.

To get beat for every minute of every round like he did against Joe Calzaghe but to keep fighting to the very end, to fight with a torn rotator cuff from the second round against Tyspko and pull out a win and to come back from being rocked several times against Mendoza to dig deep and make sure he won the final round and therefore the fight shows the heart and mental strength of a true champion imo.

Lacy is limited technically, and his power was overratted but for heart, determination, dedication to the sport and sheer iron will Lacy is possibly America's best fighter imo.

[OumaFan]

Absolutley, when that fight finished so did Lacy.
He lost ever bit of mental strength and fortitude that he had built.

He was actually a gutsy fighter, he kept coming after Calzaghe, he never stopped trying, but the loss was a complete and uter domination.

I disagree completely about Lacy losing all his mental strenght and fortidude.


Apart from his physical strength pretty much all Lacy has is his heart and will to win.

I have to say, I'm a big Jeff Lacy fan, in my mind no boxer gives his all more than Jeff Lacy.

To get beat for every minute of every round like he did against Joe Calzaghe but to keep fighting to the very end, to fight with a torn rotator cuff from the second round against Tyspko and pull out a win and to come back from being rocked several times against Mendoza to dig deep and make sure he won the final round and therefore the fight shows the heart and mental strength of a true champion imo.

Lacy is limited technically, and his power was overratted but for heart, determination, dedication to the sport and sheer iron will Lacy is possibly America's best fighter imo.

This is a good post in all seriousness, totally agree. If anything last night I was impressed by the guts of Lacy. Mendoza can complain all he wants but when it counted Lacy wanted it more. He won the fight on pure guts.

With Lacy its just another case of fans falling in love with a puncher but like you say his power has always been overrated too. He's more of a clubbing type puncher, he never got guys out early or with one big punch.

And the technical flaws defensively are really the problem. Outside he's obviously not comfortable and inside (you can see this big time as far back as even the Rubin Williams fight) he doesn't keep his hands up well enough, he keeps the left too low which is ok I guess on the outside but not the inside when you're not really moving your head.

[Kev]

Wow this must be the first time you've agreed with one of my posts Ouma.

[amat]

Absolutley, when that fight finished so did Lacy.
He lost ever bit of mental strength and fortitude that he had built.

He was actually a gutsy fighter, he kept coming after Calzaghe, he never stopped trying, but the loss was a complete and uter domination.

I disagree completely about Lacy losing all his mental strenght and fortidude.


Apart from his physical strength pretty much all Lacy has is his heart and will to win.

I have to say, I'm a big Jeff Lacy fan, in my mind no boxer gives his all more than Jeff Lacy.

To get beat for every minute of every round like he did against Joe Calzaghe but to keep fighting to the very end, to fight with a torn rotator cuff from the second round against Tyspko and pull out a win and to come back from being rocked several times against Mendoza to dig deep and make sure he won the final round and therefore the fight shows the heart and mental strength of a true champion imo.

Lacy is limited technically, and his power was overratted but for heart, determination, dedication to the sport and sheer iron will Lacy is possibly America's best fighter imo.

This is a good post in all seriousness, totally agree. If anything last night I was impressed by the guts of Lacy. Mendoza can complain all he wants but when it counted Lacy wanted it more. He won the fight on pure guts.

With Lacy its just another case of fans falling in love with a puncher but like you say his power has always been overrated too. He's more of a clubbing type puncher, he never got guys out early or with one big punch.

And the technical flaws defensively are really the problem. Outside he's obviously not comfortable and inside (you can see this big time as far back as even the Rubin Williams fight) he doesn't keep his hands up well enough, he keeps the left too low which is ok I guess on the outside but not the inside when you're not really moving your head.

Agreed completely. I think at one point he was a lot better technically as far as being an offensive fighter then he is now but everything about this is right. Obviously I want to stay away from this topic as he's my favorite fighter, but you're right, in a way it was a great performance by Lacy. Obviously it's pretty safe say his days as a champion are done I would think unless he can simply outlast a better boxer.

[OumaFan]

Its not the first time I've agreed with you Bilbo especially the times when you aren't saying absolutely silly things. Its just that you said exactly what I was gonna say after reading Donny's post so it had to be acknowledged.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Absolutley, when that fight finished so did Lacy.
He lost ever bit of mental strength and fortitude that he had built.

He was actually a gutsy fighter, he kept coming after Calzaghe, he never stopped trying, but the loss was a complete and uter domination.

I disagree completely about Lacy losing all his mental strenght and fortidude.


Apart from his physical strength pretty much all Lacy has is his heart and will to win.

I have to say, I'm a big Jeff Lacy fan, in my mind no boxer gives his all more than Jeff Lacy.

To get beat for every minute of every round like he did against Joe Calzaghe but to keep fighting to the very end, to fight with a torn rotator cuff from the second round against Tyspko and pull out a win and to come back from being rocked several times against Mendoza to dig deep and make sure he won the final round and therefore the fight shows the heart and mental strength of a true champion imo.

Lacy is limited technically, and his power was overratted but for heart, determination, dedication to the sport and sheer iron will Lacy is possibly America's best fighter imo.

Because a fighter has the desire to mean doesn't mean he has confidence and fortitude.

When in the ring, a fighter knows what he's meant to do. But it takes a huge level of confidence and courage to take the risk to attempt to execute the desired move.

From what I've seen of Lacy he is "gunshy," he's afraid of the counter.

As I said It's a brave man that attempts a risky move such as a sell out left hook or uppercut.
Lacy used to do that all the time after his thudding jab, now he's tentative and shy, he wings hooks from the outside, more hopefully than out of expectation.

Real pity, I liked him very much as a fighter and even more as a guy, he's incredibly amiable.

[Majesty]

Absolutley, when that fight finished so did Lacy.
He lost ever bit of mental strength and fortitude that he had built.

He was actually a gutsy fighter, he kept coming after Calzaghe, he never stopped trying, but the loss was a complete and uter domination.

I disagree completely about Lacy losing all his mental strenght and fortidude.


Apart from his physical strength pretty much all Lacy has is his heart and will to win.

I have to say, I'm a big Jeff Lacy fan, in my mind no boxer gives his all more than Jeff Lacy.

To get beat for every minute of every round like he did against Joe Calzaghe but to keep fighting to the very end, to fight with a torn rotator cuff from the second round against Tyspko and pull out a win and to come back from being rocked several times against Mendoza to dig deep and make sure he won the final round and therefore the fight shows the heart and mental strength of a true champion imo.

Lacy is limited technically, and his power was overratted but for heart, determination, dedication to the sport and sheer iron will Lacy is possibly America's best fighter imo.

This is a good post in all seriousness, totally agree. If anything last night I was impressed by the guts of Lacy. Mendoza can complain all he wants but when it counted Lacy wanted it more. He won the fight on pure guts.

With Lacy its just another case of fans falling in love with a puncher but like you say his power has always been overrated too. He's more of a clubbing type puncher, he never got guys out early or with one big punch.

And the technical flaws defensively are really the problem. Outside he's obviously not comfortable and inside (you can see this big time as far back as even the Rubin Williams fight) he doesn't keep his hands up well enough, he keeps the left too low which is ok I guess on the outside but not the inside when you're not really moving your head.

One thing I noticed in his last fight is I didn't see Birmingham in his corner. That kind of made things weird.

But he looked pretty good when he was double jabbing to the right hand. And then he started winging shots. I don't know what happened. First few times he looked good, then after eh got stunned he started winging.

I think the shoulder injury has messed him up though. Did he even really throw a left hook with authority last night?

He still has guts and heart. But he really needs to learn to use his jab more and have confidence in that left hook again