Did the Calzaghe fight ruin Jeff Lacy?

[donnydarkoIRL]

Duck to the right, weave left then left hook. One-trick pony. It's easy to get carried away when someone has power. And I am happy about his amateur career, being an olympian is an amazing feat, but like I said aside from the Reid fight I guess I just never saw anything special about him.

That is true.

Some fighters have the natural ability to get away with being
one-dimensional.
Subsequently, a weak level of opposition can allow the fighter to domiante without being exposed.

I guess Calzaghe was that much better he exposed every flaw Jeff had.

I feel that at the moment there are a number of fighters in the division that could have performed similar revelations, but it still doesn't account for his shortcomings vs. Manfredo and Espianoza

Although I am not a fan of Calzaghe, I give credit where it is due, Joe isn't a champ sheerly because of his blinding speed and great chin right? He is such a dominant champ because he can adapt to any situation, look at his win over Kessler that fight was actually pretty close UNTIL Joe switched it up and went on to control the last 7 rounds pretty comfortably.

Good point that, I'll have to remeber that.

[Kirkland Laing]

Probablt the Calzaghe fight. But if you look at the first round of his next fight he was looking pretty good till he did his shoulder.

I saw his interview on WNF last night and he doesn't look like he believes in himself anymore. Mentally he's lost it.

[Deanrw]

This can be said about many fighters.

You could ask did Pavlik ruin Miranda or Zertuche? They were not the same after running into him.

Physical beatings you can recover from, but certain mindsets will never recover from a bad loss. It will always be on the back of their mind. When a fighter is undefeated, they feel invulnerable. Fighters can handle points losses usually fine. KO losses or beatings shows a fighter how human they are and they can lose their fire that helped elevate them in the first place.

Joe took away Lacy's fire. The mystique he once had for himself was gone and he knew he had limitations. His injury took more away from him, so he has fallen quite far.

[Markusdarkus]

This can be said about many fighters.

You could ask did Pavlik ruin Miranda or Zertuche? They were not the same after running into him.

Physical beatings you can recover from, but certain mindsets will never recover from a bad loss. It will always be on the back of their mind. When a fighter is undefeated, they feel invulnerable. Fighters can handle points losses usually fine. KO losses or beatings shows a fighter how human they are and they can lose their fire that helped elevate them in the first place.

Joe took away Lacy's fire. The mystique he once had for himself was gone and he knew he had limitations. His injury took more away from him, so he has fallen quite far.

Neither Miranda or Zertuche took the hammering Lacy took. There is a marked difference pre and post Calzaghe, Miranda looks the same and would lose to Abrahams Pavlik defeat or not. Im not sure Manfredo would take Lacy to a SD pre Calzaghe, do you?

[Deanrw]

This can be said about many fighters.

You could ask did Pavlik ruin Miranda or Zertuche? They were not the same after running into him.

Physical beatings you can recover from, but certain mindsets will never recover from a bad loss. It will always be on the back of their mind. When a fighter is undefeated, they feel invulnerable. Fighters can handle points losses usually fine. KO losses or beatings shows a fighter how human they are and they can lose their fire that helped elevate them in the first place.

Joe took away Lacy's fire. The mystique he once had for himself was gone and he knew he had limitations. His injury took more away from him, so he has fallen quite far.

Neither Miranda or Zertuche took the hammering Lacy took. There is a marked difference pre and post Calzaghe, Miranda looks the same and would lose to Abrahams Pavlik defeat or not. Im not sure Manfredo would take Lacy to a SD pre Calzaghe, do you?

Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.

I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.

[Markusdarkus]

This can be said about many fighters.

You could ask did Pavlik ruin Miranda or Zertuche? They were not the same after running into him.

Physical beatings you can recover from, but certain mindsets will never recover from a bad loss. It will always be on the back of their mind. When a fighter is undefeated, they feel invulnerable. Fighters can handle points losses usually fine. KO losses or beatings shows a fighter how human they are and they can lose their fire that helped elevate them in the first place.

Joe took away Lacy's fire. The mystique he once had for himself was gone and he knew he had limitations. His injury took more away from him, so he has fallen quite far.

Neither Miranda or Zertuche took the hammering Lacy took. There is a marked difference pre and post Calzaghe, Miranda looks the same and would lose to Abrahams Pavlik defeat or not. Im not sure Manfredo would take Lacy to a SD pre Calzaghe, do you?

Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.

I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.

You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!

Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.

[El Kabong]

I think Miranda was ruined by Abraham, Pavlik just finished his career off.

Jeff Lacy was never taught to BOX and was never taught how to set up his left hook properly. Had Lacy used more combinations and had faster handspeed or better timing then his career would have been salvaged after the Calzaghe fight. I think he just spent too much time in the amateurs

[Deanrw]

Neither Miranda or Zertuche took the hammering Lacy took. There is a marked difference pre and post Calzaghe, Miranda looks the same and would lose to Abrahams Pavlik defeat or not. Im not sure Manfredo would take Lacy to a SD pre Calzaghe, do you?

Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.

I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.

You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!

Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.

There you go again. Calling Pavlik a limited Plodder. I guess that is an upgrade from bum like you called him before.

And Calzaghe nuthuggers wonder why he is so disliked. It is not Joe, but people like you.