Did the Calzaghe fight ruin Jeff Lacy?

[Markusdarkus]

This can be said about many fighters.

You could ask did Pavlik ruin Miranda or Zertuche? They were not the same after running into him.

Physical beatings you can recover from, but certain mindsets will never recover from a bad loss. It will always be on the back of their mind. When a fighter is undefeated, they feel invulnerable. Fighters can handle points losses usually fine. KO losses or beatings shows a fighter how human they are and they can lose their fire that helped elevate them in the first place.

Joe took away Lacy's fire. The mystique he once had for himself was gone and he knew he had limitations. His injury took more away from him, so he has fallen quite far.

Neither Miranda or Zertuche took the hammering Lacy took. There is a marked difference pre and post Calzaghe, Miranda looks the same and would lose to Abrahams Pavlik defeat or not. Im not sure Manfredo would take Lacy to a SD pre Calzaghe, do you?

Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.

I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.

You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!

Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.

[El Kabong]

I think Miranda was ruined by Abraham, Pavlik just finished his career off.

Jeff Lacy was never taught to BOX and was never taught how to set up his left hook properly. Had Lacy used more combinations and had faster handspeed or better timing then his career would have been salvaged after the Calzaghe fight. I think he just spent too much time in the amateurs

[Deanrw]

Neither Miranda or Zertuche took the hammering Lacy took. There is a marked difference pre and post Calzaghe, Miranda looks the same and would lose to Abrahams Pavlik defeat or not. Im not sure Manfredo would take Lacy to a SD pre Calzaghe, do you?

Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.

I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.

You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!

Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.

There you go again. Calling Pavlik a limited Plodder. I guess that is an upgrade from bum like you called him before.

And Calzaghe nuthuggers wonder why he is so disliked. It is not Joe, but people like you.

[El Kabong]

...it's the same with Hatton and Haye

[amat]

Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.

I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.

You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!

Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.

There you go again. Calling Pavlik a limited Plodder. I guess that is an upgrade from bum like you called him before.

And Calzaghe nuthuggers wonder why he is so disliked. It is not Joe, but people like you.

It goes both ways. You can call Calzaghe a feather fisted pitter patter and say that Pavlik hitting you for 7 rounds is a lot worse then bearing Calzaghe or 12. Lacy was worn down but never really hurt like he was last night against Calzaghe. Miranda was beaten into a slump on the ropes.

[Deanrw]

You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!

Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.

There you go again. Calling Pavlik a limited Plodder. I guess that is an upgrade from bum like you called him before.

And Calzaghe nuthuggers wonder why he is so disliked. It is not Joe, but people like you.

It goes both ways. You can call Calzaghe a feather fisted pitter patter and say that Pavlik hitting you for 7 rounds is a lot worse then bearing Calzaghe or 12. Lacy was worn down but never really hurt like he was last night against Calzaghe. Miranda was beaten into a slump on the ropes.

Never in here will you find I called Joe featherfisted or a slapper. What I said was I would rather endure Joe in the ring for 12 rounds than pavlik for 7.

Pavlik just seems to really hurt people when he unloads. Joe does not have his type of power. I was just stating the obvious as I see it. Marcus stated earlier that Miranda did not take a beating like Lacy did. I beg to differ on that.

[amat]

There you go again. Calling Pavlik a limited Plodder. I guess that is an upgrade from bum like you called him before.

And Calzaghe nuthuggers wonder why he is so disliked. It is not Joe, but people like you.

It goes both ways. You can call Calzaghe a feather fisted pitter patter and say that Pavlik hitting you for 7 rounds is a lot worse then bearing Calzaghe or 12. Lacy was worn down but never really hurt like he was last night against Calzaghe. Miranda was beaten into a slump on the ropes.

Never in here will you find I called Joe featherfisted or a slapper. What I said was I would rather endure Joe in the ring for 12 rounds than pavlik for 7.

Pavlik just seems to really hurt people when he unloads. Joe does not have his type of power. I was just stating the obvious as I see it. Marcus stated earlier that Miranda did not take a beating like Lacy did. I beg to differ on that.

I agree. I'm just saying, if he wants to point out what he thinks are weaknesses, yet he is talking about damage, it's just maddening really. Of course Miranda took a worse beating. You certainly can't distinguish Lacy's as being clearly worse in terms of damage.

[Fenster]

Pavlik whooping Miranda doesn't really compare with Cazlaghe's masterclass shellacking exhibition dished out to Lacy. One was a NON title fight on a Jermain Taylor UNDERCARD, the other was a UNIFICATION fight between the TWO premier supermiddles at the time.

It is all about context.

[amat]

Pavlik whooping Miranda doesn't really compare with Cazlaghe's masterclass shellacking exhibition dished out to Lacy. One was a NON title fight on a Jermain Taylor UNDERCARD, the other was a UNIFICATION fight between the TWO premier supermiddles at the time.

It is all about context.

Yeah I agree but in terms of physical damage dished out, I don't think there's much of a difference.

[Fenster]

Yeah but the mental beating was far worse for Lacy, obvioulsy

(I haven't read all the thread.. or properly, sorry)

[Markusdarkus]

Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.

Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.

I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.

You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!

Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.

There you go again. Calling Pavlik a limited Plodder. I guess that is an upgrade from bum like you called him before.

And Calzaghe nuthuggers wonder why he is so disliked. It is not Joe, but people like you.

Hay i call it how i see it i dont see anything special in Pavlik except he is tall and can punch. We will find what he is made of against Hopkins, i`ll tell you what i think will happen. Pavlik with zero angles will be wrapped up like a fish in a net for 5rds get flusterd and start getting hit against a man that physically stacks up.