Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

[Violent Demise]

Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.

How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.

Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.

I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.

[Kel]

Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.

How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.

Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.

I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.

But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.

[Violent Demise]

How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.

Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.

I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.

But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.

I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him

[Taeth]

There are things Cotto can do, to not tire out, Not that it will chane a rematch, but he can clinch more off the ropes, He moved back wards when he could have come forward throwing punches. He didn't need to move straight backwards he moved fast enough that he could have kept the fight int he center of the ring with a lot less energy wasted. Even Cintron was able to keep the fight in the middle of the ring more. Cotto was going straight back to the ropes on his own accord.

[Kel]

I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.

But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.

I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him

Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?

[Violent Demise]

But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.

I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him

Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?

No. He out worked him

[Youngblood]

I rewatched this fight, with a clearer head a fresh perspective. I couldn't help but feel that Cotto really missed a game plan of working away on Margo's body...until...I rewatched it.

Tony made it a point to protect his body at the cost of absorbing numerous head shots. He obviously IMO did this on purpose. It is hard to fathom a person have that much faith in their ability to take damaging shots to the head, instead of chancing being hurt by body shots. But that is what he did. And he did going forward the whole time.

That has to be scary. Throwing everything you have at a fighters head because it is open for you, countering with beautiful combos, again and again, moving laterally to make it happen..but still, forward he comes.

I changed my mind regarding Cotto missing the boat on the body shots. The option just wasn't there for him.

[Taeth]

I rewatched this fight, with a clearer head a fresh perspective. I couldn't help but feel that Cotto really missed a game plan of working away on Margo's body...until...I rewatched it.

Tony made it a point to protect his body at the cost of absorbing numerous head shots. He obviously IMO did this on purpose. It is hard to fathom a person have that much faith in their ability to take damaging shots to the head, instead of chancing being hurt by body shots. But that is what he did. And he did going forward the whole time.

That has to be scary. Throwing everything you have at a fighters head because it is open for you, countering with beautiful combos, again and again, moving laterally to make it happen..but still, forward he comes.

I changed my mind regarding Cotto missing the boat on the body shots. The option just wasn't there for him.

What Cotto needed to is not go backwards the whole time, I am thinking of Duran fighting a Margarito type fighter, he would get right on the inside where his shorter reach would work to his advantage, if Cotto got in close there is no way Margarito would be able to get effective punches off, and Cotto having a lower center of gravity, being hte same size as Margarito in every other way would have an advantage in power in terms of who would be able to move who around, its basic physics, that a lower object has better leverage to move another object even a stronger object. If Cotto fought more like a Duran or Hatton he would tie Margarito up on the inside and land short hard punches where Margarito's longer arms wouldn't be able to get anything off.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Absolute bollocks.

[LacosteDon]

well its not so much the stamina or the concentration because he does have those tools its that from the second round on up he was bleeding from his nose which made it hard for him to breath which he had to do alot movement against tony im surprised he made it to the 11th so in reality if he didnt get a busted nose i dont think we would of been talking about stamina or concentration not taking anything from tony because he is the one that busted that nose lol great fight it was
peace

[Kel]

I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him

Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?

No. He out worked him

Ok I get ya now

[Majesty]

But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.

I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him

Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?

Alright it comes down to style.

Cotto's style and the reason he wins fights is because he can walk down his opponents and makes them submit to his pressure.

And opponents he hasnt been able to do that against he didnt look his best, Ndou for example.

Cotto's style looks best and is most effective when he can impose his will and walk down whoever he is fighting.

The thing is he couldnt walk down Margarito yet Margarito could hurt him and walk him down. Margarito took everything about Miguel's style and still had more to hurt him so there really is nothing Cotto can do differently in a rematch because his style is to walk you down, he can't walk down Margarito so he isn't going to beat him.


As far as Paul Williams go it isnt in his style to walk down someone so whether he could hurt Margarito or not didn't matter because it isnt his style. His style is to outhustle and keep a high work rate which he can do without hurting you.

Miguel on the other hand needs to walk down his opponent and make them submit, he cant do it to margarito so there isnt anything he can do different.

[Memphis]

I think Cotto to some degree fell into the same trap that David Haye does. He's used to having his punches take their toll on an opponant and when they dont they wonder why and have a collapse of concentration.

I think if they fought again but with Cotto knowing that no matter what he does he cant hurt him, he can win the fight. Knowing that from the outset he could work around, finding it out during a fight is a heartbreaker.

[Fenster]

I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.

But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.

I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him

Hmm.. as surprising as it is, and as much as I shouldn't - I agree.

That is exactly what I saw in the fight.

[Taeth]

Hell yea i totally Agree there was moments in the fight where he looked very sloppy. He do have the tendacy to get cocky like he think he is sugar ray leonard or something. At other times he just have a look on his face like he is drunk or something. Cotto had a flaws like any other fighter but was over looked by his fans for a long time. Unfortunately for him all the his flaws came to light and he to took an ass whooping for most to see them. Cotto will be back but he will not be the great fighter most thought he was.

How can you fucking say that? He might do a Tszyu and come back stronger than ever and beat Tony, Paul and even Floyd for all we know.

Don't mean to sound pissed off but there is waaaaay too much emphasis on fighters remaining undefeated these days. When you fight the top guys and lose it don't mean anything. Cotto is still one of the best welters in the world.

I can't see Cotto winning a rematch against Margarito. Cotto fought great. But he couldn't hurt him. That was the problem. I don't see how that would be any different in the rematch. Not only that but if they fought again Margarito will have the same advantage over Cotto that he had over Cintron. I can hurt you. But you can't hurt me. It's in Cotto's best interest to stay away from Margarito.

But watch Kessler against Andrade, He hit Andrade with everything but the kitchen sink, but he couldn't hurt Andrade, yet he used a lot smarter movement then Cotto, and stayed focused. Obviously Andrade isn't Margarito, but Cotto was giving up ring space for free, and he wasting his energy moving, and later on he wasn't protecting himself, He stopped using as much head movement on the ropes, and he stopped keeping his hands up or trying to smother Margarito's punching.