Boxing Forums



User Tag List

Thanks Thanks:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Results 1 to 15 of 48

Thread: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

Share/Bookmark

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    18,672
    Mentioned
    40 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kel View Post
    But if he improves his stamina he could box like he was in the first 6 rounds for the whole fight.
    I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him
    Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?
    No. He out worked him

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    8,786
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    3627
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    I rewatched this fight, with a clearer head a fresh perspective. I couldn't help but feel that Cotto really missed a game plan of working away on Margo's body...until...I rewatched it.

    Tony made it a point to protect his body at the cost of absorbing numerous head shots. He obviously IMO did this on purpose. It is hard to fathom a person have that much faith in their ability to take damaging shots to the head, instead of chancing being hurt by body shots. But that is what he did. And he did going forward the whole time.

    That has to be scary. Throwing everything you have at a fighters head because it is open for you, countering with beautiful combos, again and again, moving laterally to make it happen..but still, forward he comes.

    I changed my mind regarding Cotto missing the boat on the body shots. The option just wasn't there for him.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    6,706
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1507
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Quote Originally Posted by Owned By Spicoli View Post
    I rewatched this fight, with a clearer head a fresh perspective. I couldn't help but feel that Cotto really missed a game plan of working away on Margo's body...until...I rewatched it.

    Tony made it a point to protect his body at the cost of absorbing numerous head shots. He obviously IMO did this on purpose. It is hard to fathom a person have that much faith in their ability to take damaging shots to the head, instead of chancing being hurt by body shots. But that is what he did. And he did going forward the whole time.

    That has to be scary. Throwing everything you have at a fighters head because it is open for you, countering with beautiful combos, again and again, moving laterally to make it happen..but still, forward he comes.

    I changed my mind regarding Cotto missing the boat on the body shots. The option just wasn't there for him.
    What Cotto needed to is not go backwards the whole time, I am thinking of Duran fighting a Margarito type fighter, he would get right on the inside where his shorter reach would work to his advantage, if Cotto got in close there is no way Margarito would be able to get effective punches off, and Cotto having a lower center of gravity, being hte same size as Margarito in every other way would have an advantage in power in terms of who would be able to move who around, its basic physics, that a lower object has better leverage to move another object even a stronger object. If Cotto fought more like a Duran or Hatton he would tie Margarito up on the inside and land short hard punches where Margarito's longer arms wouldn't be able to get anything off.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    1,081
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1058
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Cotto's biggest weakness has always been his defense. He is a warrior in the ring and has improved technically (jab, etc.). But he always seems like he receives too much punishment. In his last several fights he got wobbled/stunned in many of them. Give him credit...up to the Tony fight he was always able to come back. But if it wasn't Margarito...it would have been someone else eventually. When you are open to get hit consistently in a fight...and you don't exactly have a world class chin...you are eventually going to get KOed.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    8,786
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    3627
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffP4PLacy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Owned By Spicoli View Post
    I rewatched this fight, with a clearer head a fresh perspective. I couldn't help but feel that Cotto really missed a game plan of working away on Margo's body...until...I rewatched it.

    Tony made it a point to protect his body at the cost of absorbing numerous head shots. He obviously IMO did this on purpose. It is hard to fathom a person have that much faith in their ability to take damaging shots to the head, instead of chancing being hurt by body shots. But that is what he did. And he did going forward the whole time.

    That has to be scary. Throwing everything you have at a fighters head because it is open for you, countering with beautiful combos, again and again, moving laterally to make it happen..but still, forward he comes.

    I changed my mind regarding Cotto missing the boat on the body shots. The option just wasn't there for him.
    What Cotto needed to is not go backwards the whole time, I am thinking of Duran fighting a Margarito type fighter, he would get right on the inside where his shorter reach would work to his advantage, if Cotto got in close there is no way Margarito would be able to get effective punches off, and Cotto having a lower center of gravity, being hte same size as Margarito in every other way would have an advantage in power in terms of who would be able to move who around, its basic physics, that a lower object has better leverage to move another object even a stronger object. If Cotto fought more like a Duran or Hatton he would tie Margarito up on the inside and land short hard punches where Margarito's longer arms wouldn't be able to get anything off.
    I have to say I agree. Bad plan from Cotto. Margarito needs that distance to punch. And inside Cotto could have been much more effective. Cotto is physically bull-like and the way he fought, one would think he was built like Justin Timberlake. I guess he really visualized that this was the way. He knew if he sat on the ropes Margarito was going to come, and yet he really figured this would be a way to counter and hurt Margarito. Had he simply watched the Clottey fight the night before, it would have been clear that you gotta stay put front and center and refuse Margarito any forward movement. Bad fight plan and Cotto will with out a doubt win the rematch. For me this fight is even more tragic because yes, I feel he lost to a bum with a chin. I make no apologies to Tony. I still find it hard to respect no talent but then again I liked fighters like Sugar, Ali, Hector and Tyson as opposed to Chavez and the rest of the please punch my face crew. Cotto claimed to have tried Plan ABC and D. But we all know that was not the case. He was stubborn and played into Margarito's game. The price he paid was a lot.

    Harsh but truthful. I am not fan of Tony Margarito.
    This is what is funny about peoples opinions. In hindsight everyone is an expert and gets it right. This isn't meant as an slight towards your opinions, but I bet if I went back thru all the prefight hype...I could probably find somwhere you both saying..'he can't stand and go toe to toe with Margo because...' for frankly, that was the correct logic. He did not want to end up in a punching war with Tony, and standing and going inside the whole fight would have been exactly that. He needed to move laterally, to counter well, and hopefully hurt the body. And for 6 rounds he did that, beautifully, the movement and countering and was clearly winning the fight. But Margo just put so much pressure on and took the body option away, he was unable to hurt him. And I do think Cotto was lacking air in those late rounds, be it from sucking blood, and that his heart was broken by then also...you could see it in his eyes.

    I stand by my assertion. Cotto fought the fight he was supposed to, and Margo outsmarted him knowing somehow if he took inhumanely shot upon shot to the head and protect his body it may work. It was a tactical move...not unlike an Ali rope a dope sort of thing. Not many fighters can add 'take many many head shots' to their game plan and have it work out for them. Margo obviously is one of them. Let's hope for his sake he isn't shitting in a bag, and drooling on an apron within 10 years as a result of it.

    Tough melon or not, it will take a toll. But give the man his due. It was a thing to behold.
    Last edited by Youngblood; 07-31-2008 at 10:46 AM.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Ireland
    Posts
    11,799
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2276
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Absolute bollocks.
    091

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    10 miles from Manchester, 6 miles from Bolton
    Posts
    1,560
    Mentioned
    19 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1243
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Simple answer NO

    Cotto should just go back to 140

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    166
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    928
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    no. he already is great. Tony was just greater that night

    Fighters that drum up this talk on site are great. Fighters that give blood for their fans are great.

    One loss doesn't not mean lack of concentration. He lost to a better man. Who knows what the rematch will bring. I think he will do better the 2nd time around - maybe.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    2,332
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    1145
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Quote Originally Posted by belakbox View Post
    no. he already is great. Tony was just greater that night

    Fighters that drum up this talk on site are great. Fighters that give blood for their fans are great.

    One loss doesn't not mean lack of concentration. He lost to a better man. Who knows what the rematch will bring. I think he will do better the 2nd time around - maybe.

    Well said
    Que Viva Puerto Rico
    Hidden Content

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    49
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    i think we all know who was the more talented fighter that night cotto by far but at the end of the day he is not the great fighter alot of his fan and probly his maniger where bringing him to believe i feel cotto might have baught into the hype alittle i also feel he should have took the first couple rounds slower. i saw some post people saying cotto should have smoothered margos puches ill tell you this is what makes magro a hard man to beat he likes to fight on the inside nomatter what he does not use his reach this is y cotto wanted to stay on the outside and if u really think margo needs distance to punch you have never seen him fight before and didnt watch the fight with him and cotto to great because mago only let his hands go when he was close to cotto but for most of the fight cotto was in range for the jab and right but margo wasn't jabing or letting and lead hand rights off

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Miami
    Posts
    64
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    0
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    well its not so much the stamina or the concentration because he does have those tools its that from the second round on up he was bleeding from his nose which made it hard for him to breath which he had to do alot movement against tony im surprised he made it to the 11th so in reality if he didnt get a busted nose i dont think we would of been talking about stamina or concentration not taking anything from tony because he is the one that busted that nose lol great fight it was
    peace

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    6,229
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2540
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Does Cotto lack that concentration to be great?

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post

    I don't think it was a stamina issue. I think it's the pressure Margarito was putting him that became to much. People need to watch the fight understand that Cotto didn't decided to fight off the back foot. He didn't go the ropes by choice. Margarito forced him. I gave Cotto the first 5 rounds. But it was obvious from the second round that he couldn't hurt Margarito. But Margarito could. Cotto gassed out because of the pressure Margarito put on him. That won't change in the rematch. Cotto can't win cuz Cotto can't hurt him
    Do you think Williams hurt Margarito?
    No. He out worked him
    Ok I get ya now

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 44
    Last Post: 05-27-2008, 03:42 AM
  2. Hatton vs Cotto, this would be great!
    By Snakey in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 12-09-2007, 11:50 PM
  3. Replies: 10
    Last Post: 11-12-2007, 01:53 AM
  4. lack of energy
    By iceman in forum Ask the Trainer
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 10-20-2007, 06:28 PM
  5. cotto in great shape (pics)
    By fungabhai in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 19
    Last Post: 06-03-2007, 11:24 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  




Boxing | Boxing Photos | Boxing News | Boxing Forum | Boxing Rankings

Copyright © 2000 - 2025 Saddo Boxing - Boxing