When will it ever stop? Just give the man his due...

[ssss]

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

[Jesse James]

I completely agree with Daxx. People hate on Tony because he's not slick, he's not fancy, he's not fast, etc. He might not be pretty in the ring but he wins fights, isn't that what it's all about? Tony is old school. He's a throwback to the days when it was prizefighting, not boxing. You actually had to be tough and fight for a victory. Nowadays, too many fighters are primadonnas who just use their natural athletic ability to dance their way to victory. I'm not hating on guys who are naturally more talented, but I think it's a sign of extreme arrogance and elitism to hate on anyone who doesn't have the natural gifts of a Mayweather or Roy Jones. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses, and they use what works for them. You don't have to like Tony, but the constant put downs are nothing but childishness.

It's funny that so many people say that if it wasn't for Tony's chin he wouldn't be where he is today. Well, I could say if it wasn't for Floyd's talent, he wouldn't be where he is today. That might sound silly, but think about it. Floyd is an incredibly gifted athlete by nature, it's something he didn't choose or earn. I'm not saying he doesn't work hard also, but if he didn't have the natural ability, he wouldn't be so great. All fighters work hard, but Floyd has the advantage of being blessed with an extraordinary natural ability. Does that mean we should hold that against him?

PS- Let's be honest, the real reason people hate on Tony is because they can't stand the fact that a clumsy guy with a mullet will beat their smooth, Gucci wearing, favorite fighter's ass.

[Taeth]

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

[eagle]

There are also ppl on here who give him more dues than he deserves. Some ppl seem to think that cos he beat Cotto that he is some kind of machine that cannot be beaten, when Paul Williams proved no that long ago that it can be done. I think he is the number one welter at the moment, what more dues does he deserve?

[ssss]

You aren't giving Williams credit, he was the reason Margarito wasn't able to get off the to a quick start, and he, Paul, was boxing circles around Tony. He also survived the last few rounds to win the fight by a solid lead. I don't see how people had that as a close fight.

Also Clottey broke his hands in that fight. Would he have won if they hadn't been broken? I don't know, but he was certainly controlling the early rounds, and not in the same way as Cotto, he was taken Margarito's punches, and dishing out better ones himself, until he hurt his hands.

Margarito is a good, tough fighter, but he isn't a young Antonio Barrera or Morrales, or even JLC. Castillo got stopped when he was a teenager by cuts, he was fought everyone, his chin was amazing, but he had skill. THats all I am looking for if Margarito had good technique I wouldn't care if he was as slow as a sloth or got hit a lot, Pavlik is an example of aguy who is slow, but he has mastered the technique, and now I like him. But Margarito is exactly what I hate about boxing, a guy who takes shots willingly in the head, and uses mundane pugilism to win fights.

Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

I know boxrec isn't best source but there normally spot on for past fights take a look.

• Margarito suffered from a severe sprained ankle only a week before the bout, and also had problems with his left shoulder as reported days before the fight.
• Clottey suffered an injured left hand in round four, probably while landing a left uppercut. He immediately went into retreat and told his corner at the break.
• Showtime reported this live, explaining why Clottey proceded to lose rounds five through eleven on all three official scorecards.
• Clottey later admitted his hand was not broken as initially reported.
• Margarito threw 1675 punches

Retrieved from "http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Antonio_Margarito_vs._Joshua_Clottey"

[Taeth]

Antonio Margarito had a severe sprained ankle and a shoulder injury shortly before the Joshua Clottey fight he wasn't at his best........

And if you actually read up on Joshua Clottey he later admitted he didn't break his hand.

Margarito didn't have a severe sprained ankle... give me a break. You can't move like a boxer does on that. That's as much BS as I've ever heard. Regardless I give Margarito credit for beating Cintron and Cotto, but he isn't a mexican great. He puts shame IMO to the names of Barrera, JMM, JCC, Morrales, etc. Who have great heart, chins, and skill because he lacks so much that they had.

I know boxrec isn't best source but there normally spot on for past fights take a look.

• Margarito suffered from a severe sprained ankle only a week before the bout, and also had problems with his left shoulder as reported days before the fight.
• Clottey suffered an injured left hand in round four, probably while landing a left uppercut. He immediately went into retreat and told his corner at the break.
• Showtime reported this live, explaining why Clottey proceded to lose rounds five through eleven on all three official scorecards.
• Clottey later admitted his hand was not broken as initially reported.
• Margarito threw 1675 punches

Retrieved from "http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/Antonio_Margarito_vs._Joshua_Clottey"

I never said Clottey hand was broken. However, I am calling bullshit on anyone that says they can fight on a severly sprained ankle, or it isn't severly sprained. I just watched the fight, and severly sprained ankle is really swollen that it wouldn't fight into a boxing shoe. He was wearing splint, but that looked like mild sprain at worst. Why do you think pro athletes sit out important games because of their bad sprains? You can't put weight on that leg, and Margarito was getting leverage off that back leg plenty.

[Taeth]

Also broken or not why did Clottey start throwing less punches, and not even close to as hard of punches after that round? Mayweather also hurt his hand against Baldomir yet it wasn't broken, but he wasn't throwing punches as hard.

[Spicoli]

Also broken or not why did Clottey start throwing less punches, and not even close to as hard of punches after that round? Mayweather also hurt his hand against Baldomir yet it wasn't broken, but he wasn't throwing punches as hard.

Kind of an odd query? 'Why did he start doing Less'....170 punches raining down on him from Tony in round 5.......Ya think? I'd love a rematch.

[Taeth]

An opponent only throws that many punches if your not throwing, its as simple as that.