Who will win, Obama or McCain?

[Kirkland Laing]

It looks like it's going to be Obama unfortunately. What will probably clinch it for him is the economy continuing to go south. Americans will not want another four years of Bush economics come November. It's starting to look like the subprime meltdown was the tip of the iceberg and there'll be plenty more bad news between now and November, although I'm guessing the worst won't become apparent till after the election. But there'll be more than enough problems to sink McCain no matter how dirty his campaign gets over the next few months.

[Wayne]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

[Wayne]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

Oh yeah? Well you don't know how McCain really got his arms broken. From jerking all those charlies.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

Oh yeah? Well you don't know how McCain really got his arms broken. From jerking all those charlies.

It was probably fighting in a war that all the hippy fucks like yourself and Bill CLinton were running to Canada to get away from their born duty.

(of course the war was un winnable but that is besides the point... the soldiers were ORDERED ther while fucking people spit on them and calling them baby killers)

Careful Killface, you're hitting a nerve... My father recieved 2 purple hearts in Vietnam.

[Wayne]

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

Oh yeah? Well you don't know how McCain really got his arms broken. From jerking all those charlies.

It was probably fighting in a war that all the hippy fucks like yourself and Bill CLinton were running to Canada to get away from their born duty.

(of course the war was un winnable but that is besides the point... the soldiers were ORDERED ther while fucking people spit on them and calling them baby killers)

Careful Killface, you're hitting a nerve... My father recieved 2 purple hearts in Vietnam.

That's funny, PoB. 'Cause you joked, then I joked and you got offended. I didn't say anything about your father and what I wrote was no worse than McCain calling Asian people "gooks". How do you know my father wasn't a Democrat who was slain in the South whilst trying to register blacks to vote? In that case, would not you have offended me just as much as I offended you?

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

Oh yeah? Well you don't know how McCain really got his arms broken. From jerking all those charlies.

It was probably fighting in a war that all the hippy fucks like yourself and Bill CLinton were running to Canada to get away from their born duty.

(of course the war was un winnable but that is besides the point... the soldiers were ORDERED ther while fucking people spit on them and calling them baby killers)

Careful Killface, you're hitting a nerve... My father recieved 2 purple hearts in Vietnam.

That's funny, PoB. 'Cause you joked, then I joked and you got offended. I didn't say anything about your father and what I wrote was no worse than McCain calling Asian people "gooks". How do you know my father wasn't a Democrat who was slain in the South whilst trying to register blacks to vote? In that case, would not you have offended me just as much as I offended you?

Point taken... I acted like a douchbag...

I drank to much redbull yesterday. You are absolutly correct. I'm not really sure what even set me off. I can admit when I act like a tool though

[VictorCharlie]

As a US Infantryman that has one combat tour in Afghanistan and is half way through a combat tour in Iraq I have strong feelings about these wars. Obama's early claims of large troop withdrawals 16 months into his presidency astounded me. But it made sense. Bring the troops home is a great PR statement. Plus he knew once he took office he could simply blaim the Bush Admin's bungling of the war as reason to keep troops. I expect more from my president. I want a plan to WIN not just to leave. I have dodged way to many bullets and had far to many IEDs blow up near me to leave this place only to have to come back. A quick brief on Iraq is that most of its current Shia politicians were living in Iran during Sadaams rule. They returned here after the US invasion and are widely disliked by most Iraqis. A swift US withdrawal will cause to certainties. The Kurds will push for the autonomous nation they have always wanted. And Iran will bolster its support for the Shia majority. The Sunni controlled land has little to no oil and will leave them marginalized to say the least. The sectarian violence will return at a scale we haven't seen yet. It quite possibly could pull the entire Middle East into a conflict with Iran/Syria/Iraqi Shias pitted against Iraqi Sunnis/Gulf States and The Kurds somewhere in the middle. We are winning this war but its progress is measured in inches not miles. I fought the Jaysh Al Mahdi for 72 hours straight in March. We fought them on the streets and in the buildings of northern Baghdad and blead them dry until they didn't want to fight anymore. This thing is real close to turning around. I won't argue that we should have come here or that the planning for the invasion or post invasion Iraq were anything less than criminal but this is the winnable war not Afghanistan. The Afghan people have no sense of nationality and can't even fathom ideas like deomacracy. Most Afghans are hoping to simply not starve or freeze to death. I've seen whole company sized Taliban units salughtered only to see another group just as big show up a month later. The building blocks of government/infrastructure/nationalism are present in Iraq but barely exist in Afghanistan. As much as I wish we were not entangled in Iraq we are. And Obama needs to have a comprehensive plan to win not just blaim the previous admin and quit.
On the economic side of the house I think presidents either gets too much blaim or credit for it. Economies are cyclic and at best a president can help ease the downturns and boost the upturns. I like that McCain is a moderate and not afraid of bipartisanship. I think he will bring less party politics and more solutions. I like that he hates pork barrel spending. I like that he will fight the Lobby machine in DC as shown with his Campaign Finance Reform. I believe that he will place the needs of the American worker over Big Business. I'll say this I wish McCain had stayed more true to his 04 campaign but I understand his need to embrace more conservative aspects of the GOP to secure his nomination.
In all honesty I like Obama and think eventually he will be a good President. I think people do him a disservice likening him to Kennedy. The reality is Kennedy passed almost no meaningful legistlation and if you take away the Cuban Missile Crisis had a disaster of a foriegn policy. At the juncture that our country finds ourselves in I'll take experience and realism over idealism and charm.

[El Kabong]

It looks like it's going to be Obama unfortunately. What will probably clinch it for him is the economy continuing to go south. Americans will not want another four years of Bush economics come November. It's starting to look like the subprime meltdown was the tip of the iceberg and there'll be plenty more bad news between now and November, although I'm guessing the worst won't become apparent till after the election. But there'll be more than enough problems to sink McCain no matter how dirty his campaign gets over the next few months.

Economy keep going south eh? You're a retard

[Kirkland Laing]

It looks like it's going to be Obama unfortunately. What will probably clinch it for him is the economy continuing to go south. Americans will not want another four years of Bush economics come November. It's starting to look like the subprime meltdown was the tip of the iceberg and there'll be plenty more bad news between now and November, although I'm guessing the worst won't become apparent till after the election. But there'll be more than enough problems to sink McCain no matter how dirty his campaign gets over the next few months.

Economy keep going south eh? You're a retard

You would have thought that by now you'd have begun to recognise the futility of arguing with somebody who is always right about everything but obviously not. Exactly why do you think the economy is doing well?

[El Kabong]

Are we in a reccession Is oil getting more expensive? Is the stock market crashing Is the dollar still falling?


I'm sorry buddy but the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse ain't riding through that door....you're wishing, you're hoping but it's not happening. And WHY you would support a dumbass like Obama is beyond me if it's not written for him to read then he doesn't know a God damn thing! He just told a 7 year old girl "America isn't what it once was and it's not what it could be".....and that's why he got in the race?!?!?! He COULD have said "America is facing new and important challenges and I believe that the solutions I bring to the table will keep the United States as the one shining example of greatness in the world" or something inspirational like that but NOOOOOO he just told a 7 year old her country sucks.....what a fucking jackass!

[Kirkland Laing]

Are we in a reccession Is oil getting more expensive? Is the stock market crashing Is the dollar still falling?


I'm sorry buddy but the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse ain't riding through that door....you're wishing, you're hoping but it's not happening. And WHY you would support a dumbass like Obama is beyond me if it's not written for him to read then he doesn't know a God damn thing! He just told a 7 year old girl "America isn't what it once was and it's not what it could be".....and that's why he got in the race?!?!?! He COULD have said "America is facing new and important challenges and I believe that the solutions I bring to the table will keep the United States as the one shining example of greatness in the world" or something inspirational like that but NOOOOOO he just told a 7 year old her country sucks.....what a fucking jackass!

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

And I really hope Obama blows it. I hope we discover he has a secret love child with Osama in October.

[Plopeater]

Just be glad you don't have Gordon Brown

[El Kabong]

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

And I really hope Obama blows it. I hope we discover he has a secret love child with Osama in October.

.....you don't look at the stock market often do you?

Obama is an empty suit much like John Edwards...ever hear him answer questions and decide which side of an argument he's on, you'd think you were in a special ed class.

Wait until the debates Obama is going to look like a fool

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes, yes, yes and yes.

And I really hope Obama blows it. I hope we discover he has a secret love child with Osama in October.

.....you don't look at the stock market often do you?

Obama is an empty suit much like John Edwards...ever hear him answer questions and decide which side of an argument he's on, you'd think you were in a special ed class.

Wait until the debates Obama is going to look like a fool

I've worked in the market for nearly twenty years now. What were you doing in 1991? I started work in the trading room of one of the world's biggest investment banks then. Since then I've had quite a good career, so I'm speaking with a degree of confidence in my ability to know what I'm talking about. You're aware the stock market is down around 20% from its previous high, right?

I really hope Obama screws the debates up but unfortunately it's hard to see how he can be worse than the doddering old elitist guy he's up against :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u...ointsmemo.com/