Who will win, Obama or McCain?

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm voting for McCain, he's right on the war, he's right on drilling, he's right on taxes, and he has experience to back it up

Facts and evidence just don't matter to you, do they?

[Mar]

I know i'll probabably get blasted for this, but voting is silly, it's all a big game letting people think they have a voice in the process, so we can't bitch about it down the road. Our votes aren't even counted they are just used to supposidly influence the elec college who is up for grabs not for the people but whoever has the most cash. For example what good does it do at all to be in california and support McCain when this state will never go republican. Look how much of a say we have in their salries, which continue to skyrocket while teachers here in cali are getting laid off due to lack of funds, now here in cali they want to cut pay for state workers to 6.55 an hour less than fast food joints pay like the state employess had anything to do with the budget. People are loosing jobs while politicians are on vacation not loosing a thing. But pay any money you owe them late and go on vacation and see what happens when you get back. Don't hate me just my opinion. Voting is a huge waste of time. It's become a circus, wrestlers, actors and various others in office that have no experience but win elections based on thier name and hype instead of qualifications, you tube debates with people dressed in costumes, paris hilton spifs, tire gauges etc, it's just too much it's a wonder that there are people out there that can look at the whole thing with seriousness at heart, i see no difference between politics and the wwe or f or whatever it's called these days.

[Master]

Vote for Paris Hilton, she cannot do any worse than any of the other politicians which are all part of the establishment.

[Gandalf]

I know i'll probabably get blasted for this, but voting is silly, it's all a big game letting people think they have a voice in the process, so we can't bitch about it down the road. Our votes aren't even counted they are just used to supposidly influence the elec college who is up for grabs not for the people but whoever has the most cash. For example what good does it do at all to be in california and support McCain when this state will never go republican. Look how much of a say we have in their salries, which continue to skyrocket while teachers here in cali are getting laid off due to lack of funds, now here in cali they want to cut pay for state workers to 6.55 an hour less than fast food joints pay like the state employess had anything to do with the budget. People are loosing jobs while politicians are on vacation not loosing a thing. But pay any money you owe them late and go on vacation and see what happens when you get back. Don't hate me just my opinion. Voting is a huge waste of time. It's become a circus, wrestlers, actors and various others in office that have no experience but win elections based on thier name and hype instead of qualifications, you tube debates with people dressed in costumes, paris hilton spifs, tire gauges etc, it's just too much it's a wonder that there are people out there that can look at the whole thing with seriousness at heart, i see no difference between politics and the wwe or f or whatever it's called these days.

I agree to an extent. Politics today is so far removed from any ideals. China has the Olympics. Its a single party communist state for christs sakes. But then of course Western politics is single party too. Labour or Tory there really is little to distinguish the middle ground they are scrabbling for. Nothing really makes any difference. Only an optimist would think otherwise and they are most likely deluded.

[Wayne]

...just wanted to stir some hornets' nests or behives...

It looks like Obama, but not sure; it can go either way...

Personally, I'd prefer Obama, but because of his Iraq stance, I'm forced to go with McCaine. Americans can't just get into a country, make a mess out of it and leave just like that - just as they did in Vietnam. They have a moral obligation to finish what they've started, or else, they'll lose whatever credibility they have, and whatever right they have to interfere in future world affairs. But don't get me wrong, I've always been for US and for them to intervene in any conflict around the world needing resolution. But not in the case of Iraq; there was simply no justifiable reason for that. But since the US invaded it, I believe they are obliged to stay there until their job is done. If you're American and believe that you should leave from Iraq, you can forgive yourself for electing Bush but you had no business re-electing him. And since you've done just that, re-electing Bush that is, it's your obligation to see to it that Iraq is taken care of. Now if you're really troubled by that, then you should blame Bush for the mess he has put all of you into, and if you think that's not enough, you should have him tried for whatever crime he is liable for. I don't see why American president is exempt from war crime charges while others are not, it's just not right nor fair...

Hope my American friends understand this because I believe this is how most people around the world generally think about the situation..

Cheers.

It seems your vote would be for McCain on the sole basis of Iraq. You do know that Iraqi leaders' timetables pretty much match the one Obama has put forth? How do we determine when we're "done"? I'd say a pretty good barometer is when they're telling us to get out. And the other thing you're saying about how we never should have went- you're right, and that's always been Obama's stance. McCain wouldn't mind having us there for the next 100 years and considering it's cost us (well, money we've borrowed from China) over a trillion dollars in the few years we've been there imagine what the total, both monetarily and in human lives, would be?

If for no other reason we should leave because they want us to. But for our sakes, considering the dwindling dollar that Bush seems to have no problem making more and more of, we have to get out. We don't have enough money to begin paying the interest and we're still borrowing. Think about the dollar as being used for the world's currency and how it isn't being taken care of. When the reset finally comes it's going to hit us all.

[Wayne]

Well religion is an issue for me.

I don't know if Obama is muslim having an African Father.



If he is, he should not win for a country who suffered many terrorist attacks.


In Singapore, muslims and christians, buddhist live side by side, but never a muslim heads this country.

Are you still falling into that Obama-is-a-Muslim crap? That's negative spin to try to discredit Obama and isn't true. Having an African father is the only criteria for being a Muslim? What about the fact his father abandoned his family, leaving Obama to be raised by his white mother? There is no real cause to believe Obama is anything other than he says he is. He doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve, so it's not like he can claim any members of the Religious Right. And he's for abortion rights, also rubbing against the grain of hardcore Christians. Obama being Muslim just doesn't make sense at all.

[Wayne]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

[Wayne]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

Oh yeah? Well you don't know how McCain really got his arms broken. From jerking all those charlies.

[pacfan]

Whoever wins will be inheriting one of the worst problems the US has had in a long, long time. The Iraq quagmire and the worsening economy - feel sorry for the guy. If I were them, I wouldn't be so eager take it... but then, that's how politicians are everywhere, always harboring unsatiable ambition... let 'em have it and eat 'em too.

Seriously, untangling the Iraq web will be the most difficult... but walking away from it will not be the solution as it involves the pride and credibility of the Americans and the well-being of another nation. So here, I'm going with McCain...but as miles said, the man looks pretty old, so the question is will he be able to stand the rigors of the office during these exceptionally tough times? Hmmm...

The economy is another. It was clearly a case of gross mismanagement of the financial sector which up to now, nobody has been held responsible for... (Strange how the western credit agencies scrutinize banks of small countries like ours with a microscope and show absolutely no mercy in giving out their ratings, to utter dissappointment of our banks...but...giving out A+ ratings on their own that were about to go bankrupt. That just not right.) The US will definitely be feeling the effects the crisis for some years to come. At the best, a mild to moderate recession will drag along in the coming years. At the worst...maybe Kirkland Laing can answer that.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I just can't vote for anyone with no fiscal responsibility. He wants to finance a war with another country's money and has no valid plan to pay back dime one. Because of Bush the dollar is plummeting and gas is going up (this is only a temporary reprieve as the consumer offsets will count for nothing when the dollar continues to drop in value). Think about it, the national debt doubled under Reagan and Bush I and they were pikers in comparison to Bush II. And McCain wants to take the baton and keep going.

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

Oh yeah? Well you don't know how McCain really got his arms broken. From jerking all those charlies.

It was probably fighting in a war that all the hippy fucks like yourself and Bill CLinton were running to Canada to get away from their born duty.

(of course the war was un winnable but that is besides the point... the soldiers were ORDERED ther while fucking people spit on them and calling them baby killers)

Careful Killface, you're hitting a nerve... My father recieved 2 purple hearts in Vietnam.

[pacfan]

...just wanted to stir some hornets' nests or behives...

It looks like Obama, but not sure; it can go either way...

Personally, I'd prefer Obama, but because of his Iraq stance, I'm forced to go with McCaine. Americans can't just get into a country, make a mess out of it and leave just like that - just as they did in Vietnam. They have a moral obligation to finish what they've started, or else, they'll lose whatever credibility they have, and whatever right they have to interfere in future world affairs. But don't get me wrong, I've always been for US and for them to intervene in any conflict around the world needing resolution. But not in the case of Iraq; there was simply no justifiable reason for that. But since the US invaded it, I believe they are obliged to stay there until their job is done. If you're American and believe that you should leave from Iraq, you can forgive yourself for electing Bush but you had no business re-electing him. And since you've done just that, re-electing Bush that is, it's your obligation to see to it that Iraq is taken care of. Now if you're really troubled by that, then you should blame Bush for the mess he has put all of you into, and if you think that's not enough, you should have him tried for whatever crime he is liable for. I don't see why American president is exempt from war crime charges while others are not, it's just not right nor fair...

Hope my American friends understand this because I believe this is how most people around the world generally think about the situation..

Cheers.

It seems your vote would be for McCain on the sole basis of Iraq. You do know that Iraqi leaders' timetables pretty much match the one Obama has put forth? How do we determine when we're "done"? I'd say a pretty good barometer is when they're telling us to get out. And the other thing you're saying about how we never should have went- you're right, and that's always been Obama's stance. McCain wouldn't mind having us there for the next 100 years and considering it's cost us (well, money we've borrowed from China) over a trillion dollars in the few years we've been there imagine what the total, both monetarily and in human lives, would be?

If for no other reason we should leave because they want us to. But for our sakes, considering the dwindling dollar that Bush seems to have no problem making more and more of, we have to get out. We don't have enough money to begin paying the interest and we're still borrowing. Think about the dollar as being used for the world's currency and how it isn't being taken care of. When the reset finally comes it's going to hit us all.

Good points there but let me ask you some questions. How would you feel if they leave Iraq and it turns into a mess much more worst than during Sadam's time? Isn't it the responsibility of the US to take care of Iraq all the way, I mean at least until it's reasonably secure?

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

If we left Iraq i'd be like fuckin Mogadishu with regional war lords taking over... C'mon... everyone that thinks we can leave Iraq today or in a year is a fuckin retard.

[Wayne]

If we left Iraq i'd be like fuckin Mogadishu with regional war lords taking over... C'mon... everyone that thinks we can leave Iraq today or in a year is a fuckin retard.

Ah, but there's the conundrum: how can you on the one hand say you want to establish a Democratically elected gov't but when said gov't begins to exercise its power and exert its ability to take care of itself you say, "No, we're staying." Isn't that somewhat of a dictatorship? We were not elected, we are a military presence that they do not wish to be within their borders.

[Wayne]

Yeah but the Democrats are such fags though

Oh yeah? Well you don't know how McCain really got his arms broken. From jerking all those charlies.

It was probably fighting in a war that all the hippy fucks like yourself and Bill CLinton were running to Canada to get away from their born duty.

(of course the war was un winnable but that is besides the point... the soldiers were ORDERED ther while fucking people spit on them and calling them baby killers)

Careful Killface, you're hitting a nerve... My father recieved 2 purple hearts in Vietnam.

That's funny, PoB. 'Cause you joked, then I joked and you got offended. I didn't say anything about your father and what I wrote was no worse than McCain calling Asian people "gooks". How do you know my father wasn't a Democrat who was slain in the South whilst trying to register blacks to vote? In that case, would not you have offended me just as much as I offended you?