Who will win, Obama or McCain?

[El Kabong]

So you're saying we need some kind of wealth redistribustion? Some sort of Communist solution to our problem That's shocking Kirkland, I never would have guessed something like that would come from you

They have this thing called The Lottery...that gives poor people the chance to be rich and blow millions of dollars.

The problem with you is you compare last year's numbers to this year and even then you would have admitted the numbers were blown up due to what was going on with subprime loans and the housing market.

[Kirkland Laing]

So you're saying we need some kind of wealth redistribustion? Some sort of Communist solution to our problem That's shocking Kirkland, I never would have guessed something like that would come from you

They have this thing called The Lottery...that gives poor people the chance to be rich and blow millions of dollars.

The problem with you is you compare last year's numbers to this year and even then you would have admitted the numbers were blown up due to what was going on with subprime loans and the housing market.

Yes, we definitely need a little bit of wealth distribution. And I want to make sure you really understand why so that, in ten or twenty years when you look back on the 2000s with the benefit of hindsight, you realise that you were wrong again and I was right again. In fact I'd like you to print this post out and keep it in a safe place just so I know for certain that in the future you'll be reminded at least once of my Infallibility.

US economic policy is insane. For 30 years now huge tax cuts for the top 1% have created huge national debt and ongoing deficits that are a drag on the economy. Huge tax increases on low/middle income earners over the same period haven't brought in enough revenue to cver the debt, but have stripped 90% of Americans of most of their excess cash. So for a decade Americans have borrowed against the rising value of their homes to maintain their standard of living -- a trillion dollars a year, or as the total worth of the US is about fifty trillion, effectively a State a year is currently being sold off to foreign creditors to maintain current standards of living. Now that people can't borrow so easily, there's going to be an eventual drop in spending and this will affect economic growth, as 71% of US GDP is consumr spending.

Median wages that are barely higher than they were in 1970, adjusted for inflation. Male wages today are in lower than they were then -- the income of a young man in his 30s is now 12 per cent below that of a man his age three decades ago. So if low/middle income people are all tapped out and their wages aren't going up any, where is the spending/economic growth coming from? The only way to do it is to distribute more of the wealth to the bottom 99% of the population, so that the money is spent in the economy and pinballs around from person to person, business to business, enriching everybody. The good old Keynesian multiplier. Probably the besy way to do this is taxation. The top half or one percent really wouldn't noticea 10 or 20% increase in their taxes, they own half of the country's wealth, they already spend all they want and due to the explosion of wealth to the top that the Bush tax cuts/policies have created most aree earning 5-10 times what they were making even in 2000. And that money is being exported as fast as possible to be invested in emerging economys like China where it makes more money than in the US because of the f'd up economic situation there. It's difficult to be a capitalist country with no capital.

So somehow more of the wealth that the top earners are creaming off has to be spread through the economy for conomic growth to continue to be robust. Whether it's empowering unions again or just tax manipulation it needs to happen.

[El Kabong]

Yes, we definitely need a little bit of wealth distribution.

You are a fucking moron you have made a case AGAINST yourself...you have no understanding of capitalism AT ALL.....I now wonder if you are infact retarded and I'm leaning towards yes....yes you are a retard and I now emplore you to seek help.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes, we definitely need a little bit of wealth distribution.

You are a fucking moron you have made a case AGAINST yourself...you have no understanding of capitalism AT ALL.....I now wonder if you are infact retarded and I'm leaning towards yes....yes you are a retard and I now emplore you to seek help.

What part of the post don't you understand? Let me know so that I can explain this to you well enough so that it sinks in and thus at some point in the future you're forced to bow to my Infallibility.

[El Kabong]

You may very well be infallible.....but it ain't on this planet brother

[amat]

I really am no political guy and am shit with numbers but a few things.

I think it's pretty funny that McCain wants to get NATO involved with Russia and Georgia, when the primary reason Russia is in there right now is because Georgia wants to join NATO. There are some wild fires burning a few miles away, maybe I should go empty my gas tank onto them. And the fact that everyone else in the world laughed off UN intervention definitely isn't a good sign. I can't see how McCain is going to have any pull with the rest of the world as they are going to see him as just another George Bush. May or may not be but that's how he's being treated now.

Also, drilling for oil is so pointless I can not believe it. Does anyone really think that is a long term fix? Unless your Lyle and think oil isn't a fossil fuel? The people want drilling because they want ANYTHING, me included. But it's really going to do no good. No reason we can't power ourselves on something other then oil.

And 4:27 a gallon isn't a relief at the pump either.

[El Kabong]

I really am no political guy and am shit with numbers but a few things.

I think it's pretty funny that McCain wants to get NATO involved with Russia and Georgia, when the primary reason Russia is in there right now is because Georgia wants to join NATO. There are some wild fires burning a few miles away, maybe I should go empty my gas tank onto them. And the fact that everyone else in the world laughed off UN intervention definitely isn't a good sign. I can't see how McCain is going to have any pull with the rest of the world as they are going to see him as just another George Bush. May or may not be but that's how he's being treated now.

Also, drilling for oil is so pointless I can not believe it. Does anyone really think that is a long term fix? Unless your Lyle and think oil isn't a fossil fuel? The people want drilling because they want ANYTHING, me included. But it's really going to do no good. No reason we can't power ourselves on something other then oil.

And 4:27 a gallon isn't a relief at the pump either.

#1 The US isn't going to help Georgia as we're in no position to right now. We will use rhetoric (hopefully better than Obama does...."this doesn't match the Olympic spirit" what a fucking pussy) and diplomacy but that's about all. Russia will turn Red once again and start grabbing up it's old haunts: Latvia, Estonia, etc.

#2 NATO is meant to keep events that lead to World Wars I & II from happening and to control and curb the expansion of communist Russia and everyone involved outside the US has taken that organization for granted.

#3 The UN won't do anything because it's a worthless organization built upon the fallacy that all countries carry the same weight in politics and economics. Some countries are just bigger, better, and more important than others.

#4 Well buddy the US DOES have untapped oil reserves as do most countries and if oil was running out then why would oil companies spend the majority of their money on research and development? As for long term fixes, there aren't any....it's been this way forever. Maybe it will inspire someone to make something new and better BUT until that day comes we might as well just get used to it.

#5 The price of oil is coming down slowly but surely. What's not helping is SUBSIDIZING other fuels which just plain and simple don't fucking work, if they did we wouldn't need to subsidize them....ethenol is driving the cost of fuel AND food up. And the same people bitching about the price of oil and "Man made Global Warming" are against Nuclear Energy....why? Because they are idiots!

[Kirkland Laing]

You may very well be infallible.....but it ain't on this planet brother

Explain where I'm wrong, using facts and evidence.

[pacfan]

Yes, we definitely need a little bit of wealth distribution.

You are a fucking moron you have made a case AGAINST yourself...you have no understanding of capitalism AT ALL.....I now wonder if you are infact retarded and I'm leaning towards yes....yes you are a retard and I now emplore you to seek help.

What part of the post don't you understand? Let me know so that I can explain this to you well enough so that it sinks in and thus at some point in the future you're forced to bow to my Infallibility.

I ain't no lover of communism, nor am I a lover of capitalism as it stands now. No need to discuss the defects of communism as everyone knows 'em. But what I can say is that the form of capitalism practiced then up to now isn't working in third world country like ours, where people in the neighborhood are dying of Tuberculosis everyday not because the country doesn't have enough money but because the traditional elite businessmen, who has controlled the government ever since, have divided the nations spoils among themselves while leaving the poor perpetually impoverished. And the type of democracy that the westerners planted on us has become an effective tool to keep them in power, because it's a democracy dictated by money which only the elite has, thereby becoming a self-perpetuating tool for them. This is probably the same reason that guys like Chavez has started to become appealing to many Latin-American people. These are the things that many westerners simply don't understand. Most people in the third world are no worse off than those in Cuba. Believe me, I have seen it first hand and am still seeing it, shaking my head in dismay throughout...

...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...

[El Kabong]

...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...

Uh huh, it's best not to start that debate

[pacfan]

...one of the problems I think Obama would be facing is the Hillary fans. With a long and bitter fight they went through, with all the nasty accusations and counter-accusations, I think there are enough die-hard Hillary fans who still feel resentful to their idol's bitter rival. Would Obama be able to overcome that? as they say, 'house divided can't stand.' With the survey showing Obama and McCain statistically even, that problem could cause just enough problem for Obama to adversely affect his quest of the office. So I think he should at least invite Hillary publicly to be his VP. Hillary will probably not accept it but at least Obama can get some steam out from her loyal fans. But what if she accepts it? Now that's another problem. Hmmm, a minority vote plus a women vote, how will that fare?..

... on the economic front, there is some signs of stability setting in with oil price starting to go down again thereby easing somewhat the inflationary pressure. But don't start partying yet. For now, it just means that the vulture called speculators have turned their attention on dollar away from oil and the commodities markets. Just don't forget that these vultures will exploit any sign of weakness and once they smell 'em they pounce on them and strip them of all their flesh until there are only bones left (but the economic species sometimes even eat the bones). If we're lucky, their adventure at the oil market could have ended, but don't be sure yet 'cause winter is coming and the oil market might look juicy to them again. If that happens, it'll be another round of high oil price and inflation cycle. Keep your fingers crossed...

[Kirkland Laing]

You are a fucking moron you have made a case AGAINST yourself...you have no understanding of capitalism AT ALL.....I now wonder if you are infact retarded and I'm leaning towards yes....yes you are a retard and I now emplore you to seek help.

What part of the post don't you understand? Let me know so that I can explain this to you well enough so that it sinks in and thus at some point in the future you're forced to bow to my Infallibility.

I ain't no lover of communism, nor am I a lover of capitalism as it stands now. No need to discuss the defects of communism as everyone knows 'em. But what I can say is that the form of capitalism practiced then up to now isn't working in third world country like ours, where people in the neighborhood are dying of Tuberculosis everyday not because the country doesn't have enough money but because the traditional elite businessmen, who has controlled the government ever since, have divided the nations spoils among themselves while leaving the poor perpetually impoverished. And the type of democracy that the westerners planted on us has become an effective tool to keep them in power, because it's a democracy dictated by money which only the elite has, thereby becoming a self-perpetuating tool for them. This is probably the same reason that guys like Chavez has started to become appealing to many Latin-American people. These are the things that many westerners simply don't understand. Most people in the third world are no worse off than those in Cuba. Believe me, I have seen it first hand and am still seeing it, shaking my head in dismay throughout...

...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...

Hugo was great at first but he's going a bit nuts now. What he's done with Venezuelan oil policy is good though. I like Evo Morales too. You've got to admire anybody who shows up at campaign rallies wearing an outfit consisting mainly of root vegetables.

[pacfan]

...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as

I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...

Uh huh, it's best not to start that debate

Fixed!

You're damn right, buddy.

What part of the post don't you understand? Let me know so that I can explain this to you well enough so that it sinks in and thus at some point in the future you're forced to bow to my Infallibility.

I ain't no lover of communism, nor am I a lover of capitalism as it stands now. No need to discuss the defects of communism as everyone knows 'em. But what I can say is that the form of capitalism practiced then up to now isn't working in third world country like ours, where people in the neighborhood are dying of Tuberculosis everyday not because the country doesn't have enough money but because the traditional elite businessmen, who has controlled the government ever since, have divided the nations spoils among themselves while leaving the poor perpetually impoverished. And the type of democracy that the westerners planted on us has become an effective tool to keep them in power, because it's a democracy dictated by money which only the elite has, thereby becoming a self-perpetuating tool for them. This is probably the same reason that guys like Chavez has started to become appealing to many Latin-American people. These are the things that many westerners simply don't understand. Most people in the third world are no worse off than those in Cuba. Believe me, I have seen it first hand and am still seeing it, shaking my head in dismay throughout...

...But then, I have no intention of trying to change the minds of westerners' because I know I can't, just as I can never convince the Americans that there is nothing sacred or inalienable about their right to keep and bear arms...

Hugo was great at first but he's going a bit nuts now. What he's done with Venezuelan oil policy is good though. I like Evo Morales too. You've got to admire anybody who shows up at campaign rallies wearing an outfit consisting mainly of root vegetables.

I prefer Hugo, I love his oil better. Watch out, Hugo, they're gonna come and get you...


...Sorry folks, I got carried away a bit... ...Where were we?..
...ok, back to US politics and election...