How would a Roy Jones Jr Vs Marvin Hagler fight have ended

[njackets]

At MW I think Hagler stops Roy or gets a UD at SMW I think RJJ gets the UD

[Scrap]

Funny one, Marvin never was good with movers and clever Fighters. I know He struggled with Kevin Finnegan twice, I think his team stayed clear of smart arses thereafter. Guys who could move there front foot were not the top of there shoping list. Even Duran who was smart He struggled to get hold off.At any stage of His career, Jones had respecable power He could whack hard enougth to earn respect from anyone. Style wise Jones would be Marvins worst nightmare, Id lean towards Jones. I dont always go with the old school .

[Beanflicker]

Certainly wasn't. BUT definitley slower than Jones.

Thats what I was getting at. Its all relative, Jones has made some quick guys look very slow.

And of the Fab 4, I would give the best shot at Jones to Hearns. Hearns/Jones would be a toss up, I like Jones' speed and ring generalship but Hearns was obviously very quick and very powerful.

[Taeth]

Hagler would have been made to look foolish, He wasn't quick enough. Roy was a lot faster and sharper then the Leonard who fought Hagler(who hadn't foughten in 3 years) and much bigger. Hagler would have had so much difficulty catching Roy because even with his iron chin he would not be able to just walk through Roy's shots. Roy Jones Jr fight similar to how he always did, move around and when the opponent closed the gap he would overwhelm Hagler in this case with speed and power. Roy was far more adept at doing this and not getting hit then Leonard or anybody else has ever been.

[rjj tszyu]

Certainly wasn't. BUT definitley slower than Jones.

Thats what I was getting at. Its all relative, Jones has made some quick guys look very slow.

And of the Fab 4, I would give the best shot at Jones to Hearns. Hearns/Jones would be a toss up, I like Jones' speed and ring generalship but Hearns was obviously very quick and very powerful.

I think that Jones' skill would be too much for Hearns and I'd expect Roy to KO Hearns in middle rounds because he would know he couldn't risk going the distance with his sledgehammer hands.

[RozzySean]

Of the famous 4 Hagler would have probably had the best chance vs Jones . Hagler was great and cutting the ring down and making it his type of fight.

Ray was over the hill and moving up in weight when he outboxed Hagler so I think prime Roy would have done a similar job atleast

That's a myth that Ray was over the hill. Ray was two years younger and had not been thought the wars. Watch that video and see how well Hagler moved in his younger years, even when he fought Duran was on at the beginning of downside.

The version of Hagler that fought Minter, the first Hamsho fight, the second Antoufurmo fight, that was the prime Hagler. That version of Hagler would have given Jones a lot of trouble and made a great fight. Prime Hagler could make you miss and counter punch. He would pressure you, then when you tried to fire back and counter, he would slip and counter himself. He would have had the ability to check Jones's chin, although he certainly wouldn't walk through Jones's punches, he could take them well enough to land his own.

I can see Jones winning on points, for sure, I can also see Hagler KO'ing him. Prime Hagler was WAY faster than Glen Johnson or Montell Griffin (who was making a decent fight before the DQ).

[RozzySean]

Hagler would have been made to look foolish, He wasn't quick enough. Roy was a lot faster and sharper then the Leonard who fought Hagler(who hadn't foughten in 3 years) and much bigger. Hagler would have had so much difficulty catching Roy because even with his iron chin he would not be able to just walk through Roy's shots. Roy Jones Jr fight similar to how he always did, move around and when the opponent closed the gap he would overwhelm Hagler in this case with speed and power. Roy was far more adept at doing this and not getting hit then Leonard or anybody else has ever been.

We are talking primes here. Stop swinging from Roy's nuts. You can't base your judgement of Hagler on the Leonard, Mugabi, or Hearns fight, except to know that if Hagler could take a flush shot from Hearns on the chin, recover, and come back strong, he would have the chin to keep him in the game with Jones. Even you can't deny that Hearns had more one-punch power than Jones. Also, consider the reasons why Hagler lost the fight to Ray. He gave away early rounds and let Ray steal rounds in the last 30 seconds. Ray ran and pitty-patted. Out of his own mouth, Leonard admitted that he knew he couldn't beat Hagler, so he set up a plan to steal the fight, and he executed it perfectely, assisted by Hagler fighting arrogant and stupid for the first half.

The younger version of Hagler did not always fight he same way. The younger version could move and counterpunch. The younger version had much better foot speed. He had all the tools to give Jones the fight of his life.

I actually voted for Jones UD, but it would not be a wide margin and Hagler would not look silly.

[Markusdarkus]

Hagler would have been made to look foolish, He wasn't quick enough. Roy was a lot faster and sharper then the Leonard who fought Hagler(who hadn't foughten in 3 years) and much bigger. Hagler would have had so much difficulty catching Roy because even with his iron chin he would not be able to just walk through Roy's shots. Roy Jones Jr fight similar to how he always did, move around and when the opponent closed the gap he would overwhelm Hagler in this case with speed and power. Roy was far more adept at doing this and not getting hit then Leonard or anybody else has ever been.

Fanboyism at its worst im affraid

[Markusdarkus]

But also too slow.

Roy would make it a stinkfest and take the decision.

Hagler too slow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofwgF0Z981A

I take it you have never seen a prime Hagler just watch him in 1980.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHIo5ylQA8

Hagler was not prime against Hearns or Leonard.

Hagler slow? jeeez bageebs.

Certainly wasn't. BUT definitley slower than Jones.

Hagler had much better footwork and was alwas on his toes.

Im talking prime 77-82-3.

[rjj tszyu]

Hagler would have been made to look foolish, He wasn't quick enough. Roy was a lot faster and sharper then the Leonard who fought Hagler(who hadn't foughten in 3 years) and much bigger. Hagler would have had so much difficulty catching Roy because even with his iron chin he would not be able to just walk through Roy's shots. Roy Jones Jr fight similar to how he always did, move around and when the opponent closed the gap he would overwhelm Hagler in this case with speed and power. Roy was far more adept at doing this and not getting hit then Leonard or anybody else has ever been.

We are talking primes here. Stop swinging from Roy's nuts. You can't base your judgement of Hagler on the Leonard, Mugabi, or Hearns fight, except to know that if Hagler could take a flush shot from Hearns on the chin, recover, and come back strong, he would have the chin to keep him in the game with Jones. Even you can't deny that Hearns had more one-punch power than Jones. Also, consider the reasons why Hagler lost the fight to Ray. He gave away early rounds and let Ray steal rounds in the last 30 seconds. Ray ran and pitty-patted. Out of his own mouth, Leonard admitted that he knew he couldn't beat Hagler, so he set up a plan to steal the fight, and he executed it perfectely, assisted by Hagler fighting arrogant and stupid for the first half.

The younger version of Hagler did not always fight he same way. The younger version could move and counterpunch. The younger version had much better foot speed. He had all the tools to give Jones the fight of his life.

I actually voted for Jones UD, but it would not be a wide margin and Hagler would not look silly.

Got to agree that Hagler would defintley not look silly. He is one of the greatest middleweights of all time and no-one could make him look silly.

Ive got to say though even though I know Hearns could really punch I think that a middleweight Roy Jones hit as hard as a middleweight Hearns.

[punch]

I put Roy Jones by KO, but I meant Roy Jones by decision. can someone reset the poll so I can straighten it out.

[SorceryatCaesar]

which hagler? the mediocre hagler of Vito 1, Duran and Leonard?
or the great hagler of Minter and Hearns?

[rjj tszyu]

prime v prime. I know its a bit hard because Roy peaked in the higher weightclasses.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Marvin has a similar style to that of Glenn Johnson, only with more speed and accuracy.

Ideal guy to beat Jones at Middle.

[Thread Stealer]

Marvin has a similar style to that of Glenn Johnson, only with more speed and accuracy.

Ideal guy to beat Jones at Middle.

I don't really see the comparison of Hagler and Johnson, at least not with Hagler's usual style, but I suppose if he fights Jones like he did Hearns (which I said earlier might be the best game plan), then yeah, there's some similarities since Hagler will be up close on Jones and swarming.