Fat bastards

[TitoFan]

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything

Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

[p4pking]

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything

Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

Given his last couple fights, I'd say it really is. I mean how can you praise his efforts and skill when he is doing just enough against guys who are mediocre? Much as I agree with the first part of your post, you can't really accept that the division is garbage and full of fat lazy slobs, and at the same time be impressed that Klitschko is able to outjab them with his massive size advantage and take a boring UD without showing a shred of ring craft. I won't say I can see why Lyle is trying to build up the division as frankly I just don't understand how anyone is to entertained watching Klitschko in the first place. But I definetly see the logic in trying.

[TitoFan]

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything

Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

Given his last couple fights, I'd say it really is. I mean how can you praise his efforts and skill when he is doing just enough against guys who are mediocre? Much as I agree with the first part of your post, you can't really accept that the division is garbage and full of fat lazy slobs, and at the same time be impressed that Klitschko is able to outjab them with his massive size advantage and take a boring UD without showing a shred of ring craft. I won't say I can see why Lyle is trying to build up the division as frankly I just don't understand how anyone is to entertained watching Klitschko in the first place. But I definetly see the logic in trying.

Well, I'm giving Klitschko the benefit of the doubt in this case, I guess. The truth is... he could've looked sharper in some of his last few fights. He seems to have played it safe. One glaring example was the Sultan fight. I don't care what anybody says. That fight was a hideous exhibition of boxing. That endless pawing by Klitschko was definitely getting on my nerves. So while I defend Klitschko on the basis of his improvement since his glass jaw days, at the same time I feel he could be showing more than he has been.

[Scrap]

I remember just recently watching a Heavy doing his Roadwork, and a woman pushing a pram passed Him

[rjj tszyu]

I remember just recently watching a Heavy doing his Roadwork, and a woman pushing a pram passed Him

Who was it? James Toney or Valuev? lol

[Plopeater]

There was a British titlefight the other month.

Williams v McDermott, both ripped and muscular, about 98% body fat each

[rjj tszyu]

There was a British titlefight the other month.

Williams v McDermott, both ripped and muscular, about 98% body fat each

Ha ha yeah I watched it. They really looked like true athletes!

[SorceryatCaesar]

do heavyweights have thicker skulls than smaller fighters?

in other words, what does it mean when a heavyweight can absorb a punch from a heavyweight, but a smaller fighter can't? if their skulls and heads are about the same size?

[feeney]

i would say they had larger bone structure, and bigger frames not all heavyweigts could take a shot from a heavy bruno, audrey, etc but i dont know what makes a good chin some fighters look like tyson and get blown away easy, others built like wipets hardons and a train could not knock them over. ?

[El Kabong]

Boxing is like baseball....a guy can look normal or even out of shape at times and still be one of the greatest ever.


Look at Babe Ruth, fat, sloppy, and drunk and he still managed to hit a ton of homeruns.

Look at anyone in baseball who is jacked up with muscles and they still could be bested by The Babe or any of the other old out of shape players for example Nolan Ryan or Satchel Paige.


As for boxers...Carmen Basillio tiny guy, small, ugly, unimposing and not the least bit intimidating and yet he was able to beat Ray Robinson. Look at the big musclebound fighters like Bruce Seldon, Michael Dokes, Primo Carnera....they didn't accomplish much when compared to just your average looking guy.

I'm not trying to boost the heavyweight division all I say is "it's competitive" when it really shouldn't be but hey what are you going to do. All I am saying is LOOKING in shape is different than fighting like you're in shape. Anyone can LOOK in shape but not everyone can FIGHT like they are in shape....like Antonio Margarito and the reason there aren't heavyweights like him is more than likely due to the shitty amateur system which rewards SLAPPING and not PUNCHING and so the power punchers learn to LAND but never to ACCEPT or DEFEND punches.

[rjj tszyu]

Well not all boxers (regardless of weight class) look like body builders and the ones that have even in the past didn't do so hot.

Lennox Lewis never looked like he was Mr. Universe

Marciano wasn't all ripped as people might think, he was just a tiny dude at 185. Rocky didn't look much different than Sultan looks he just fought harder


I don't think the physicality of the heavyweights has changed, I think the mentality has though....it seems that challengers aren't willing to take chances, it seems that unless they put you in with a total tomato can then fighters won't go for the KO.


As for being in shape Wladimir always comes in trained properly and more often than not gets a KO win and all he gets is ridicule for fighting mandatories and fighting smart.


I guess David Haye will change everything

Ok Lyle.... it's one thing for you to defend Klitschko (I do that myself). But it's quite another to try to defend the state of the HW division. By and large, they're fat bastards, plain and simple. With the mentality of bigger is better, and "let's try for the homerun swing, 'cause I sure ain't gonna make it to the 12th round."

And Lennox Lewis may not have "looked like Mr. Universe" (whatever that means), but he was always in shape and LOOKED like the athlete he was.

Is it so hard to praise the efforts and skill of Klitschko without trying to build up the rest of the HW division at the same time?

Given his last couple fights, I'd say it really is. I mean how can you praise his efforts and skill when he is doing just enough against guys who are mediocre? Much as I agree with the first part of your post, you can't really accept that the division is garbage and full of fat lazy slobs, and at the same time be impressed that Klitschko is able to outjab them with his massive size advantage and take a boring UD without showing a shred of ring craft. I won't say I can see why Lyle is trying to build up the division as frankly I just don't understand how anyone is to entertained watching Klitschko in the first place. But I definetly see the logic in trying.

I also stick up for wlad. But the thing is, I believe Klitschko needs a true test to make him entertaining again. I am hoping that Haye is that test and IF he is then that should bring a bit of life back to the division again and we won't have to stick up for the rest of the jokes in the division!