How would a Roy Jones Jr Vs Marvin Hagler fight have ended

[Taeth]

We are talking primes here. Stop swinging from Roy's nuts. You can't base your judgement of Hagler on the Leonard, Mugabi, or Hearns fight, except to know that if Hagler could take a flush shot from Hearns on the chin, recover, and come back strong, he would have the chin to keep him in the game with Jones. Even you can't deny that Hearns had more one-punch power than Jones. Also, consider the reasons why Hagler lost the fight to Ray. He gave away early rounds and let Ray steal rounds in the last 30 seconds. Ray ran and pitty-patted. Out of his own mouth, Leonard admitted that he knew he couldn't beat Hagler, so he set up a plan to steal the fight, and he executed it perfectely, assisted by Hagler fighting arrogant and stupid for the first half.

The younger version of Hagler did not always fight he same way. The younger version could move and counterpunch. The younger version had much better foot speed. He had all the tools to give Jones the fight of his life.

I actually voted for Jones UD, but it would not be a wide margin and Hagler would not look silly.

Quit hagging from Roy's nuts? How about you quit hanging from the 80's nuts, and get a functioning brian while you are at at. Leonard didn't admit honestly that he couldn't beat Hagler, only in jest, or else he would have never taken the bout. He had no reason to go back into the ring. Anybody that says Ray just stole the last 30 seocnds is stupid and didn't watch the fight. Stop listening to commentators and watch fights for yourself.

As for Hearns having more power then Jones I am calling bullshit right now. P4P at 147 Hearns did, but not in literal comparison, first of all Emanuel Steward said that Hearns didn't actually hit that hard, but he was sneaky with that right hand. Whereas Roy had pure power, he ko'ed 21 of his first 22 opponents, he stopped a lot of tough guys who had never been stopped before Melinga. He landed maybe the hardest shot ever landed below cruiserweight with that right hand to the ribs against Hill... Hill had never been stopped before that punch rocked him. Look what Roy did to Reggie Johnson, Merqui Sosa... the list goes on.

Roy may have not had the best competition of any fighter ever, but he took out plenty of guys that had among the best chins in the sport when they fought, all the way up to 175. Hell, Roy went up to heavyweight and stunned Ruiz with one of his right hands. I am not even saying that he would have knocked out Hagler, but Hagler wouldn't have been able to walk through Roy shots like it was a day in the park.

Look at Roy against James Toney who came forward during that fight when he could, WHo has had a better chin then James Toney? Probably nobody. Roy couldn't hurt him either, but Roy got to James a few times with body shots, he was able to stay away from Toney all night long, and the few punches James did land, Roy took them quite easily.

Hagler is a great fighter, but Roy is too fast, and too big for him. Roy is a way better fighter on his back foot then Hearns ever was, and he was a way bigger guy that hit harder p4p then Leonard, and also quicker at middleweight/SMW then Ray was. Roy was also great against southpaws.

Listen, T-Bag, I ain't hanging from the 80's nuts, but to say that Roy would make Hagler look silly was a stupid thing to say. Stop judging Hagler on his last 5 fights, unless you want me to judge Jones by the Tarver and Glen Johnson fights.

As for Jones "pure power," what the hell do thing Hagler would have done with Tate, Sosa, Reggie Johnson, and Malinga, and old ass-Pazienza? Or the series of bums he fought for the first 20 fights.

I've repeatedly said that that I would pick Roy on points in this one. Hagler, even with is his being the smaller man, in his prime, is better than anybody Jones ever fought, James Toney included, and I'm about as a big a James Toney fan as you will find. Deal with it.

T-bag? Good one... idiot. What would have Hagler done against Reggie Johnson, Merqui Sosa, Malinga? Certianly nothing as impressive as Roy did. Malinga had lost a Split decidion to Chris EUbanks then went 10 rounds against the feared NIgel Benn, and Roy one punched him in the 6th round.

[RozzySean]

Quit hagging from Roy's nuts? How about you quit hanging from the 80's nuts, and get a functioning brian while you are at at. Leonard didn't admit honestly that he couldn't beat Hagler, only in jest, or else he would have never taken the bout. He had no reason to go back into the ring. Anybody that says Ray just stole the last 30 seocnds is stupid and didn't watch the fight. Stop listening to commentators and watch fights for yourself.

As for Hearns having more power then Jones I am calling bullshit right now. P4P at 147 Hearns did, but not in literal comparison, first of all Emanuel Steward said that Hearns didn't actually hit that hard, but he was sneaky with that right hand. Whereas Roy had pure power, he ko'ed 21 of his first 22 opponents, he stopped a lot of tough guys who had never been stopped before Melinga. He landed maybe the hardest shot ever landed below cruiserweight with that right hand to the ribs against Hill... Hill had never been stopped before that punch rocked him. Look what Roy did to Reggie Johnson, Merqui Sosa... the list goes on.

Roy may have not had the best competition of any fighter ever, but he took out plenty of guys that had among the best chins in the sport when they fought, all the way up to 175. Hell, Roy went up to heavyweight and stunned Ruiz with one of his right hands. I am not even saying that he would have knocked out Hagler, but Hagler wouldn't have been able to walk through Roy shots like it was a day in the park.

Look at Roy against James Toney who came forward during that fight when he could, WHo has had a better chin then James Toney? Probably nobody. Roy couldn't hurt him either, but Roy got to James a few times with body shots, he was able to stay away from Toney all night long, and the few punches James did land, Roy took them quite easily.

Hagler is a great fighter, but Roy is too fast, and too big for him. Roy is a way better fighter on his back foot then Hearns ever was, and he was a way bigger guy that hit harder p4p then Leonard, and also quicker at middleweight/SMW then Ray was. Roy was also great against southpaws.

Listen, T-Bag, I ain't hanging from the 80's nuts, but to say that Roy would make Hagler look silly was a stupid thing to say. Stop judging Hagler on his last 5 fights, unless you want me to judge Jones by the Tarver and Glen Johnson fights.

As for Jones "pure power," what the hell do thing Hagler would have done with Tate, Sosa, Reggie Johnson, and Malinga, and old ass-Pazienza? Or the series of bums he fought for the first 20 fights.

I've repeatedly said that that I would pick Roy on points in this one. Hagler, even with is his being the smaller man, in his prime, is better than anybody Jones ever fought, James Toney included, and I'm about as a big a James Toney fan as you will find. Deal with it.

T-bag? Good one... idiot. What would have Hagler done against Reggie Johnson, Merqui Sosa, Malinga? Certianly nothing as impressive as Roy did. Malinga had lost a Split decidion to Chris EUbanks then went 10 rounds against the feared NIgel Benn, and Roy one punched him in the 6th round.

Now you really sound stupid.

[RozzySean]

I never said Jones wouldn't beat anybody on Hagler's list. Actually, Leonard wouldn't fight a prime Jones, just like he wouldnt' fight a prime Hagler, and if he did, he would look silly because all he would do is run all night. A prime Hagler destroys prime Leonard, and Leonard knows it, too. Hagler, old Hagler, sparked prime Hearns in round 3. Mustafa Hamsho probably means nothing to you? You probably rate Reggie Johnson higher.

[Taeth]

I never said Jones wouldn't beat anybody on Hagler's list. Actually, Leonard wouldn't fight a prime Jones, just like he wouldnt' fight a prime Hagler, and if he did, he would look silly because all he would do is run all night. A prime Hagler destroys prime Leonard, and Leonard knows it, too. Hagler, old Hagler, sparked prime Hearns in round 3. Mustafa Hamsho probably means nothing to you? You probably rate Reggie Johnson higher.

I've only seen Mustafa look good against Benitez which is admirable, but I've seen Benitez look pretty bad when he hasn't trained, he was also an old man fighting quite a bit above his natural wieght. I do think Reggie would be a tougher opponent, I have him beating the Mustafa that fought Lalonda or Rocci quite badly. Especially considering Reggie was a sparring partner for Roy earlier in his career so the he knew what was coming up in terms of Roy's speed and abilities.

That being said, don't take what I am saying personally, I don't mean it, I am just fucking with you. Daxx is still crying about me every 10 seconds.

[RozzySean]

I never said Jones wouldn't beat anybody on Hagler's list. Actually, Leonard wouldn't fight a prime Jones, just like he wouldnt' fight a prime Hagler, and if he did, he would look silly because all he would do is run all night. A prime Hagler destroys prime Leonard, and Leonard knows it, too. Hagler, old Hagler, sparked prime Hearns in round 3. Mustafa Hamsho probably means nothing to you? You probably rate Reggie Johnson higher.

I've only seen Mustafa look good against Benitez which is admirable, but I've seen Benitez look pretty bad when he hasn't trained, he was also an old man fighting quite a bit above his natural wieght. I do think Reggie would be a tougher opponent, I have him beating the Mustafa that fought Lalonda or Rocci quite badly. Especially considering Reggie was a sparring partner for Roy earlier in his career so the he knew what was coming up in terms of Roy's speed and abilities.

That being said, don't take what I am saying personally, I don't mean it, I am just fucking with you. Daxx is still crying about me every 10 seconds.

No offense, taken, T-bag, and I hope you don't take offense to my new name for you, but the Hamsho who fought Lalonde was already ruined by two brutal beating by Hagler. Either way, either Jones would spark Hamsho the same way Hagler would spark Reggie Johnson. Similar level fighters, really, though I think Hamsho at his best is a notch up from Johnson.

Anyway this debate is fair game. It's 95% boxing argument and 5% personal insult. If that's not OK around here, it's a sad state of affairs. That problem comes when we stop arguing about Jones/Hagler/ETC with with occasional personal attack and make the thread on the main board completely about who is gay, retarded, has carnal relations with sheep, or still lives in there mother's basement. I hope Daxx can live with level of discourse. Feel free to start a Rozzysean is a tool and a wanker on the other boards.

[Taeth]

Fuck that I don't start shit on the other boards, I say dumb stuff in the heat of the moment, but either than that I don't hold grudges or spam about people.

As for Hagler KO'ing Johnson, watch this combination at the end of the third round and I am hard pressed to find anything Hagler has ever landed that looked anything like this, bar non my favorite RJJ knockdown.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5uH...eature=related

[donnydarkoIRL]

Marvin has a similar style to that of Glenn Johnson, only with more speed and accuracy.

Ideal guy to beat Jones at Middle.

I don't really see the comparison of Hagler and Johnson, at least not with Hagler's usual style, but I suppose if he fights Jones like he did Hearns (which I said earlier might be the best game plan), then yeah, there's some similarities since Hagler will be up close on Jones and swarming.

Hagler's usual style was actually more stylish and polished than his showings with Hearns.

However when he adopted the swarming and aggressive mentality he near always got impressive results.
With Hearns the KO, with Mugabi the KO, with Minter the KO, with Leonard he won rounds he had been losing boxing.

Haglers chin and ability to corner his man or trap him on the ropes (Leonard is actually a good example,) would have pinned Roy and although Hagler would have been clipped he would have scored heavily.

[DaxxKahn]

I never said Jones wouldn't beat anybody on Hagler's list. Actually, Leonard wouldn't fight a prime Jones, just like he wouldnt' fight a prime Hagler, and if he did, he would look silly because all he would do is run all night. A prime Hagler destroys prime Leonard, and Leonard knows it, too. Hagler, old Hagler, sparked prime Hearns in round 3. Mustafa Hamsho probably means nothing to you? You probably rate Reggie Johnson higher.

I've only seen Mustafa look good against Benitez which is admirable, but I've seen Benitez look pretty bad when he hasn't trained, he was also an old man fighting quite a bit above his natural wieght. I do think Reggie would be a tougher opponent, I have him beating the Mustafa that fought Lalonda or Rocci quite badly. Especially considering Reggie was a sparring partner for Roy earlier in his career so the he knew what was coming up in terms of Roy's speed and abilities.

That being said, don't take what I am saying personally, I don't mean it, I am just fucking with you. Daxx is still crying about me every 10 seconds.

I never have nor will I ever "Cry" about you....

Taeth who don't you argue with? I can't remember a post you ever made that did not have at least one big debate ensue where you started acting like a scab....

You are mistaken Taeth your not worth me giving any real thought to...

Your opinions are biased and 90% of your knowledge comes off the net....

Your are the Archie Bunker of boxing forums