liston ali and the mob

[The Fightfan]

What most people dont realize is, Liston was legitimatly afraid of crazy people, and he was totally convinced that Ali was out of his mind. He was looking for a place to sit down in the second fight,he had given him everything he had in the first(including some powder in the eyes) and still couldnt stop him.
In the second fight,he didnt even want to be there

I don't believe that for a minute being afraid of crazy people. In the big house there are many crazy people and Liston had been there a few times and done some serious ass whooping. The whole thing with crazy people came from Ferdie Pachaceo. Ali's cornermen. From my research the second fight was a total set-up. Why would a heavyweight championship fight only take place a maximum capacity of 2000 people in a High School Gymnasium. Especially with someone who was so flamboyant,contraversial and interesting as Ali. Many people would have loved to have seen this fight in MSG. Only 2 camera's I believed filmed the fight with only photographer's around ringside. Again Liston being hit on the temple as people say but we wll never see the flush shot except those people on that side of the ring who were also in Ali's corner to cheer for him. He went down flopped over and his eyes were clear then flopped back over onto his back as if he were hurting badly. Then he get's up when Jersey Joe check's the count from ringside Ali lunges in on a suppposedly weary Liston but hands go up faster then hell then start's ducking and slipping not being hit by 1 punch then Jersey Joe jumps back in.Now if he were so hurt how would he be ducking and slipping and not losing his balance.

My opinion Liston threw the fight and there is always a very dark cloud over this match it was just too unreal.Liston a man who would take on 5 cops at a time smacking him over the head billy clubs get's knocked down from a counter " step and fetch" right hand.In which was thrown improperly from the get go When the punch supposedly landed Ali's foot is not planted therefore sacrificing power so on that night Ali had the heaviest punch in the heavyweight history. Another thing Big George followed Liston around and said he would never talk to a man who was strung out on dope let alone use it. It was also noted that Liston owed the mob tons of money in his biography. IMO the fix was in and the mob owned Liston's ass on that night.

[Trainer Monkey]

What most people dont realize is, Liston was legitimatly afraid of crazy people, and he was totally convinced that Ali was out of his mind. He was looking for a place to sit down in the second fight,he had given him everything he had in the first(including some powder in the eyes) and still couldnt stop him.
In the second fight,he didnt even want to be there

I don't believe that for a minute being afraid of crazy people. In the big house there are many crazy people and Liston had been there a few times and done some serious ass whooping. The whole thing with crazy people came from Ferdie Pachaceo. Ali's cornermen. From my research the second fight was a total set-up. Why would a heavyweight championship fight only take place a maximum capacity of 2000 people in a High School Gymnasium. Especially with someone who was so flamboyant,contraversial and interesting as Ali. Many people would have loved to have seen this fight in MSG. Only 2 camera's I believed filmed the fight with only photographer's around ringside. Again Liston being hit on the temple as people say but we wll never see the flush shot except those people on that side of the ring who were also in Ali's corner to cheer for him. He went down flopped over and his eyes were clear then flopped back over onto his back as if he were hurting badly. Then he get's up when Jersey Joe check's the count from ringside Ali lunges in on a suppposedly weary Liston but hands go up faster then hell then start's ducking and slipping not being hit by 1 punch then Jersey Joe jumps back in.Now if he were so hurt how would he be ducking and slipping and not losing his balance.

My opinion Liston threw the fight and there is always a very dark cloud over this match it was just too unreal.Liston a man who would take on 5 cops at a time smacking him over the head billy clubs get's knocked down from a counter " step and fetch" right hand.In which was thrown improperly from the get go When the punch supposedly landed Ali's foot is not planted therefore sacrificing power so on that night Ali had the heaviest punch in the heavyweight history. Another thing Big George followed Liston around and said he would never talk to a man who was strung out on dope let alone use it. It was also noted that Liston owed the mob tons of money in his biography. IMO the fix was in and the mob owned Liston's ass on that night.

Thats part of why he was afraid of crazy people,it was apparently a legitimate phobia by the time he fought Ali the second time. Then Ali did the trick with his heart rate,and flat out convinced Liston he was skarkers nuts. Ali did hit him, but it was all Liston wanting to get the hell out of there

[GAME]

Both fighst ended controversially and I i duno if the mob had anything to do with it but Liston defo threw the 2nd fight .