Freddie Roach Fears For Hopkins Life In The Pavlik Fight

[Violent Demise]

I think Roach needs medical attention. Some of the shiit coming out his mouth recently is idiotic. He's the one who should get the burden of the blame when De La Hoya massacres Pacquiao. He's brain washed Pac into thinking he has a chance. When in reality he has no chance

[CountryBoy]

I think Roach needs medical attention. Some of the shiit coming out his mouth recently is idiotic. He's the one who should get the burden of the blame when De La Hoya massacres Pacquiao. He's brain washed Pac into thinking he has a chance. When in reality he has no chance

Lol, Ok ok........ I can see that, But I hope Pac beats the cross dresser.... But VD!?, Who do ya pick out of Hopkins Pavlik my friend? I say Pavlik by late Tko. Hopkins is showing his age and can't duck every right hand.

[Violent Demise]

I think Roach needs medical attention. Some of the shiit coming out his mouth recently is idiotic. He's the one who should get the burden of the blame when De La Hoya massacres Pacquiao. He's brain washed Pac into thinking he has a chance. When in reality he has no chance

Lol, Ok ok........ I can see that, But I hope Pac beats the cross dresser.... But VD!?, Who do ya pick out of Hopkins Pavlik my friend? I say Pavlik by late Tko. Hopkins is showing his age and can't duck every right hand.

I'm rolling with Pavlik. I'm thinking it might be one-sided

[CFH]

I said it before on another thread about this fight. I think it's going to be the manifestation of the old boxing cliche where a once great fighter gets beaten by a younger fighter he probably would've handled in his prime.
Pavlik by stoppage as he retires B-Hop.

[Taeth]

I don't see how Hopkins who IMO beat two of the top 5 p4p fighters in his last two outings in Winky Wright and Joe Calzaghe should retire. Joe had a hard time landing anything.

I look at it like this RObinson's age is what made Fulmer, Turpin and all those guys challenging for him, I think Hopkins in his prime was so much superior to Taylor, Pavlik, Cazlaghe, everybody but Roy Jones and Winky Wright that he made it look easy all the time, now its getting interesting because he isn't as good as he once was which makes this more of an even playing field. People have been overrating Pavlik, and he doesn't hit super hard, he is really good, but Hopkins definitely has a legit chance of winning this.

[Taeth]

I might add that both Winky and Calzaghe put a lot of Pressure on Bernard, and the important fact is they couldn't land solid shots. If these two accurate guys with great timing, really good speed can't land on Hopkins, why would somebody assume that Pavlik can? I think Pavlik is very similar to Trinidad in many ways in that he can box, and he has power, but I believe that movement like Hopkins will really trouble him.

[RozzySean]

I might add that both Winky and Calzaghe put a lot of Pressure on Bernard, and the important fact is they couldn't land solid shots. If these two accurate guys with great timing, really good speed can't land on Hopkins, why would somebody assume that Pavlik can? I think Pavlik is very similar to Trinidad in many ways in that he can box, and he has power, but I believe that movement like Hopkins will really trouble him.

Pavlik can do to him what Jermaine Taylor did. Outwork him. Pavlik also hits harder than Calzaghe or Wright, and over time, that will take a toll on Hopkins arms and shoulders. That will give Pavlik a chance to land a big one in the late rounds. Also, Pavlik won't gas like Taylor. I'm fairly sure Hopkins fans will see this fight for Bernard, but I suspect the judges will see it for Kelly.

[Majesty]

Bernard said himself

"Bernard Hopkins won't retire, until he gets beaten in the way people want to see Bernard Hopkins get beat"

I guess he means he's not leaving till he gets knocked out.

[CFH]

Bernard said himself

"Bernard Hopkins won't retire, until he gets beaten in the way people want to see Bernard Hopkins get beat"

I guess he means he's not leaving till he gets knocked out.

I'm pretty sure Pavlik is going to retire him.

[pacfan]

I think Roach needs medical attention. Some of the shiit coming out his mouth recently is idiotic. He's the one who should get the burden of the blame when De La Hoya massacres Pacquiao. He's brain washed Pac into thinking he has a chance. When in reality he has no chance

Exactly. IMO, the pac-dela Hoya fight looks far more worse than the Hopkins-Pavlik stuff. I can't understand. I just hope Freddie knows something we didn't know...

[Taeth]

Mayweather/Dela Hoya was largely considered a toss up, but Mayweather beat Oscar with relative ease despite stupid scoring by the judges, he had it by 4 or 5 rounds.

People thought Bernard would get killed by Tarver because he moved up 2 weight divisions and fought the hardest puncher under cruiserweight, and a talented boxer in Tarver.

People thought(me included) Bernard might lose to Wright becuase Wright was so much younger, fast, great defense, great instincts, but Bernard won that won

People(me inluded) thought Bernard would get overwhelmed by Calzaghe, only to watch Bernard completely neutralize Calzaghe's offense. Those compubox numbers were bullshit Calzaghe landed about half what they gave him.

Pavlik could definitely win this, but so could Hopkins, Pavlik has a weak chin, he is relatively easy to hit, he doesn't have the best movement, and he didn't look all that great against Taylor when he last moved up.

I think both Hopkins and Pacquaio are being completely diminished here, I mean do you guys even recall Henry Armstrong the little guy who went up from featherweight to capture the welterweight crown against a great past his prime fighter?

I didn't see Oscar walk right through Mayweahter's punches, what makes you think him at welterweight, against a IMO heavier Pacquaio then Mayweather he will be able to just walk all over Manny? Manny is a lot harder to hit. As a rule smaller fighters tend to be far more complete fighters then the bigger guys because they have to be. Marquez is a far more complete fighter then Oscar, not a better one, but a much better rounded one. I know that Oscar has much improved his right hand, but it isn't the same as MArquez's. We'll see how Oscar's jab lands on a southpaw. I once again think this is a interesting fight where Oscar will be the heavy favorite, but once against Manny is taking this fight for a reason. Roach who is one of the best coaches in the world is telling him to for a reason.

Had Roach just coached Pacquaio I would say this is suicide, but he also coached Oscar, and saw the fight against Steve Forbes, but if both those two things make Roach believe Pacquaio has a good chance, then I believe him.