Joel gets stopped - major surprise

[Wayne]

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it on again, they should, but Marquez's victory tonight should only enhance Pacquiao's resume, not downgrade it. If everybody on Pac's list had been a bum we'd laugh at the thought of putting him up as #1 P4P. So the reverse works. He's fought tough guys who have gone on to beat tough guys. So that moves him up, not down.

I just hope Pac doesn't derail his future by fighting Oscar.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

once casamayor started pointing at his chin and motioning that the punch didn't hurt, i knew he was done. i don't know why fighters do that. When they shake their heads or point at their chins and motion that a punch didn't hurt, you know they were hurt bad. So stupid.

[ICB]

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it on again, they should, but Marquez's victory tonight should only enhance Pacquiao's resume, not downgrade it. If everybody on Pac's list had been a bum we'd laugh at the thought of putting him up as #1 P4P. So the reverse works. He's fought tough guys who have gone on to beat tough guys. So that moves him up, not down.

I just hope Pac doesn't derail his future by fighting Oscar.

I think Juan Manuel Marquez beat Manny Pacquiao twice and so do alot of people infact majorty of the boxing websites and journalists at ringside thought Marquez won.

Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

[Wayne]

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it on again, they should, but Marquez's victory tonight should only enhance Pacquiao's resume, not downgrade it. If everybody on Pac's list had been a bum we'd laugh at the thought of putting him up as #1 P4P. So the reverse works. He's fought tough guys who have gone on to beat tough guys. So that moves him up, not down.

I just hope Pac doesn't derail his future by fighting Oscar.

I think Juan Manuel Marquez beat Manny Pacquiao twice and so do alot of people infact majorty of the boxing websites and journalists at ringside thought Marquez won.

Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

But the 6 people whose opinions matter most have Pacquiao winning twice, if they get the math right. So going by that does that move Pacquiao up or down when Marquez continues beating guys?

[Greig]

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it on again, they should, but Marquez's victory tonight should only enhance Pacquiao's resume, not downgrade it. If everybody on Pac's list had been a bum we'd laugh at the thought of putting him up as #1 P4P. So the reverse works. He's fought tough guys who have gone on to beat tough guys. So that moves him up, not down.

I just hope Pac doesn't derail his future by fighting Oscar.

Didn't say it made Pac look bad mate - I just mean that Pac is at the top of a lot of people's p4p lists and while Marquez is out there, he probably shouldn't be. The first fight was a draw. After the first round which was a disaster and the second where he found his feet, Marquez dominated the rest of the fight. The second fight was highly controversial decision.

So, why isn't Marquez regarded on an equal footing with Pac when it comes to p4p? I think knocking out Casamayor in your lightweight debut is a helluva lot more impressive than knocking out David Diaz...

[Chino]

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him

Isn't it said commonly that the best judges are the people in the audience (live or on tv)? Many many people, and even boxing experts, simply didn't see Pac winning the first and second time. Did Pac win? Like you said, "technically" because of the fight being ruled a victory for him but in reality...I doubt it. Like I said before, for me, Pac lost his "Mexicutioner" status after he faced Marquez twice.

[XaduBoxer]

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him

Isn't it said commonly that the best judges are the people in the audience (live or on tv)? Many many people, and even boxing experts, simply didn't see Pac winning the first and second time. Did Pac win? Like you said, "technically" because of the fight being ruled a victory for him but in reality...I doubt it. Like I said before, for me, Pac lost his "Mexicutioner" status after he faced Marquez twice.

It's advisable that we adhere to the official result since if we take into considerations the many "unofficial" and personal results, our discussions will lead to nowhere...
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