MArquez the greatest Mexican of this era....

[hitmanhatton]

does anybody think that JMM could become mexico's first 4 division champ now, could he go up to 140 and defeat one of the current champs as it is a weak division, he could just go up after a few fights at 135 to take on someone like holt or bradley and get that 4th weight title without too much difficulty, also theres a chance especially if pac fights hatton after DLh that their 3rd fight could happen at that weight

Brilliant post kid
I think JMM himself and his team should def. look at the big picture here and should def. consider taking a step to 140 and go for that 4th title it would fucken be magnificent for JMM.
As they say good things come to those who wait and JMM has had a lot of major set backs but looking at it now it looks like it was well worth the long trip.

I think they should go after the 4th title and just fly past Erik & MAB who for the better part had all the attention.

ye i think time is of the essence though to some extent , JMM is what 35 now ? he shouldnt make the same mistake that Erik made of going for that 4th division title when his shot as fook

[CutMeMick]

does anybody think that JMM could become mexico's first 4 division champ now, could he go up to 140 and defeat one of the current champs as it is a weak division, he could just go up after a few fights at 135 to take on someone like holt or bradley and get that 4th weight title without too much difficulty, also theres a chance especially if pac fights hatton after DLh that their 3rd fight could happen at that weight

Brilliant post kid
I think JMM himself and his team should def. look at the big picture here and should def. consider taking a step to 140 and go for that 4th title it would fucken be magnificent for JMM.
As they say good things come to those who wait and JMM has had a lot of major set backs but looking at it now it looks like it was well worth the long trip.

I think they should go after the 4th title and just fly past Erik & MAB who for the better part had all the attention.

ye i think time is of the essence though to some extent , JMM is what 35 now ? he shouldnt make the same mistake that Erik made of going for that 4th division title when his shot as fook

Which is why he should just gun for it now that he has everything going for him.

[hitmanhatton]

straight away? id like to see him face cambell first as i think he , like casamayor is ready to be taken, Guzmans little antics have just given him a stay of execution,

that way he could be undisputed 135lb champ and only the 4th ( i think) fighter (and also first mexican) to simultaniously hold all 4 alphabet titles and hell also have the ring belt,

then go up to 140 claim a belt their from as i said someone like holt, kotelnik, bradley or even someone like ngodjuio (sp) depending on how the division looks at that point , face pac in a 3rd fight there and then call it a career

[Julius Rain]

Great win for JMM, I knew he'd do it. Looking at casa past two fights katsidis where he nearly got ktfo of the ring and robbing santa cruz. Santa cruz and katsidis are no where near as good as jmm, casa fought well though but jmm is just better at this stage of their career atleast.

I don't think its fair to call JMM the greatest in this era just cause of a win over casa, sure casa has not been k'oed before and jmm was coming up in weight. I still have the title tied between marco and eric, and reserving a spot for margarito. Im proud for jmm though he finished off casa and we dont have to go over who really won if it went to a decision.

A few more good wins for jmm he surely will have a huge case for that title, for now I still think margarito is ahead. Tony beating undefeated young cotto is a lot bigger then beating old casamayor. The way they won are both ko's but tony didn't just land a suprise 1 punch, he totally beat cotto down.

[Julius Rain]

does anybody think that JMM could become mexico's first 4 division champ now, could he go up to 140 and defeat one of the current champs as it is a weak division, he could just go up after a few fights at 135 to take on someone like holt or bradley and get that 4th weight title without too much difficulty, also theres a chance especially if pac fights hatton after DLh that their 3rd fight could happen at that weight

Brilliant post kid
I think JMM himself and his team should def. look at the big picture here and should def. consider taking a step to 140 and go for that 4th title it would fucken be magnificent for JMM.
As they say good things come to those who wait and JMM has had a lot of major set backs but looking at it now it looks like it was well worth the long trip.

I think they should go after the 4th title and just fly past Erik & MAB who for the better part had all the attention.

ye i think time is of the essence though to some extent , JMM is what 35 now ? he shouldnt make the same mistake that Erik made of going for that 4th division title when his shot as fook

eric did win that forth title though.

[hitmanhatton]

not as far as the record books are concerned

[ICB]

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ricky Hatton no offense to you HitmanHatton but i think your boy will KO'ed he leaves himself wide open when he lunges in and Juan Manuel Marquez makes you pay hard with those counter shots as Joel Casamayor found out and like so many opponents have.

[hitmanhatton]

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ricky Hatton no offense to you HitmanHatton but i think your boy will KO'ed he leaves himself wide open when he lunges in and Juan Manuel Marquez makes you pay hard with those counter shots as Joel Casamayor found out and like so many opponents have.

none taken, your probably right Hatton is on the slide, although the way Hatton tends to hit and hold now may make it akward for JMM to counter him , im not too sure how it would play out to be honest

[Julius Rain]

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ricky Hatton no offense to you HitmanHatton but i think your boy will KO'ed he leaves himself wide open when he lunges in and Juan Manuel Marquez makes you pay hard with those counter shots as Joel Casamayor found out and like so many opponents have.

hatton is also another champ waiting to be taken out, jmm should go after him. I really think he can beat any champ at 140 as well as pac. Jmm can really accomplish a lot and his time is now. Theres champs around him and pac that are all waiting to be taken out. Even oscar is vulderable, i wouldnt' be suprise if pac is too fast for oscar and win a ud. Hell jmm can prolly pull of a win over oscar too at 147. I hope pac and jmm last final fight are between eachother. That would be huge!!!!!!!

plus i think Mexico is finally giving jmm the support he has always deserve, it should motivate jmm a lot more cause he is at where he has always wanted to be. Whateve happens though i think pac and jmm will collide once again.

[leftylee]

All he beat was a 36 yr old past it Joel Casamayor who got heavily outboxed by Santa Cruz and was getting beat by the one-dimensional Michael Katsidis until he threw one luckyshot which knocked Katsidis out.

It's the way the cookie crumbles lefty.
Fighters have for hundreds of years done this where age among other things factors in.
How many times in the past and today are fighters labeled past it and then they pull a rabbit out of a hat and win?

I'm a huge fan of Erik but if your gonna use that old criteria here then the same can be said for when Erik beat Zaragoza.
I think your talking from a fan point of view to which your not certain on the entire career of the fighters your just speaking from what you've seen recently. Just know that theres more then then meets the eye.

JMM won fair and square early in the fight Casa fought well but the superior fighter prevailed.

You say Casa threw a lucky shot, well luck is part of the game also and it's not ilegal in prizefighting. If were not couting lucky shots that win fights you know how many fights would be void because of a lucky shot?

Just like Casa did against Katsidis. He threw a left hook he'll never throw again in his career. Look at Antonio Tarver v Roy Jones. Tarver threw a one hit wonder shot. Come on now. Even you know that Casamayor was definitely shot. He looked so old against Katsidis bar the 2 flash knockdowns he scored and the fluky left hook.

Of course it was a good achievement but stop overrating JMM.

A good achievement?
Are you kidding me lefty?
JMM just joined the exclusive club of being a 3 division champ along with Julio C. Chavez, Erik Morales & Marco A. Barrera. (As far as Mexican fighters go)
I would say that's more then good that is brilliant.

Overrating JMM come on man if it's one thing JMM isn't that's overrated. For many years he was underrated and overshadowed by the big supertars now late in his career he's finally getting the long overdue respect he deserves by the masses.

JMM is a great fighter with suberb skills and yes it was a good achievement beating Casamayor but it was nothing more than good based on how Casamayor was at the time. And many felt he never got the decision against Barrera and if it weren't for fukked up scoring by the judge in the first Pac bout Marquez would have another loss on his resume.

Let's remember he got knocked down 4 times in 2 fights with Pac and Barrera IMO beat JMM and Marquez got floored in that fight too.

You are right he hit the canvas 3 times in 1 round but it also means he got up 3 times and quite possibly amounted thee greatest comeback in a fight.
Pacs power was superior and it will always be superior vs. almost anyone Pac fights against. But if it's easy to see how great JMM was able to box and at times make Pac look completely out of his game.

I love these matchups and have learned to love and respect fighters like Pac and MAB whom I wasn't big fans of but as I've matured as a fan I realize that matchups like this is what will forever have me as a fan. These Erik, MAB, JMM, Naz, Pac matchups although years apart are just fantastic and I've had an opp. to meet them all minus Naz and Pac (hopefully next month I'll meet Pac).

They're great matchups, I agree with you on that. But come on Mick. All JMM done was beat Joel Casamayor. And now your implying he's on a new level all of a sudden. Pathetic. He'll stay were he is in the P4P rankings. And the fact Marquez was the heavy favourite before the fight against the naturally bigger guy and the champion in Casamayor just shows how good Casamayor is/was right there with the odds.

All in all lefty, I think your a cool kid but this time you clearly talked out of your arse...

I'm not talking out my ass. You're overhyping JMM.

[leftylee]

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ricky Hatton no offense to you HitmanHatton but i think your boy will KO'ed he leaves himself wide open when he lunges in and Juan Manuel Marquez makes you pay hard with those counter shots as Joel Casamayor found out and like so many opponents have.

none taken, your probably right Hatton is on the slide, although the way Hatton tends to hit and hold now may make it akward for JMM to counter him , im not too sure how it would play out to be honest

Hatton would knock him out late. Marqeuz got floored by Pac and Barrera. Hatton at 140 hits harder. Besides JMM would be moving up another weight division and Hatton has a good chin also so no way JMM would KO Hatton.

[ICB]

Juan Manuel Marquez vs Ricky Hatton no offense to you HitmanHatton but i think your boy will KO'ed he leaves himself wide open when he lunges in and Juan Manuel Marquez makes you pay hard with those counter shots as Joel Casamayor found out and like so many opponents have.

none taken, your probably right Hatton is on the slide, although the way Hatton tends to hit and hold now may make it akward for JMM to counter him , im not too sure how it would play out to be honest

Hatton would knock him out late. Marqeuz got floored by Pac and Barrera. Hatton at 140 hits harder. Besides JMM would be moving up another weight division and Hatton has a good chin also so no way JMM would KO Hatton.

I don't think Ricky Hatton P4P hits harder he wears his opponents down with an accumulation of punches Ricky Hatton has never been a dangerous puncher IMO and the knockdown against Marco Antonio Barrera was a flash knockdown except Marco Antonio Barrera hit Marquez while he was on the canvas which effected Marquez more and as for Manny Pacquiao well he is Manny Pacquiao end of i think Marquez is a bad style match up for Hatton with his counter punching style and with Hatton's reckless style lately i can't see him winning.

[The Fightfan]

My personal opinion he would have beaten a prime MAB and Morales. So for me yes he is the greatest.

[CutMeMick]

Hatton would knock him out late. Marqeuz got floored by Pac and Barrera. Hatton at 140 hits harder. Besides JMM would be moving up another weight division and Hatton has a good chin also so no way JMM would KO Hatton.

Lefty,
If Lazacano had Hatton shakin' rattling and rolling what leads you to believe that JMM can't do the same?
JMM hit's harder and is a lot more accurate then Lazcano.
Hatton would eat JMM combinations all night long.

Hatton would have to smoother JMM against the ropes but if you know JMM like I know JMM you know he wont let that happen.

[Violent Demise]

I been following Casamayor since 1992. Ever since he beat Wayne McCullough for the gold medal. Iv'e followed his whole career. He'a always been a personal favorite of mine. But so has Marquez. I've watch him and his brother come up during the Great Western Forum days. So if Casamayor had to lose to someone I'm glad it was Marquez. Marquez is 35. But you can't even tell by the way he fights. He's an outstanding fighter.